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2009-10-26T07:38:06.643-04:00

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Hey thanks for reading my post & linking! Peace!~...

2007-09-28T16:04:00.000-04:00

Hey thanks for reading my post & linking! Peace!
~F



it's my understanding that the video shows the wom...

2007-09-27T23:23:00.000-04:00

it's my understanding that the video shows the woman pulling a knife (a 99-cent serrated steak knife) from her purse, attempting a coupla times to stab his arm, and failing. There's also some scuffling slightly off camera (during which, sure, she may indeed have slashed his liver). The video also indicates that one of the two men who came to the aid of the women also pulled a knife, a much larger one, and one rather more likely to inflict the injuries Mr. Buckle sustained. Unfortunately the two men were never identified or questioned, and no forensic examinations were done on either of the two knives shown in the video.

I couldn't read a lot of the articles I found, Daisy. The whole 'seething Sapphic septet' thing, and the 'When petite lesbians attack' headlines just make me mad anymore.

But I totally love it that Bill O'Reilly picked this one up as an example of gangs of armed lesbians menacing America. I can't watch him on TV, either, on account of I'm afraid he'll have an aneurysm one of these days, and I just don't want to watch that on TV.



i agree. but why is it fantastical to us? lets fac...

2007-09-27T12:01:00.000-04:00

i agree. but why is it fantastical to us? lets face it, in part b/c of stereotypes. women, lesbians included, aren't stereotypically considered predators or aggressors. but men are, especially young black men.

Nope. Same reason I believe that Lana Clarkson did not kill herself at Phil Spector's house: there is no history of anyone EVER committing suicide at a stranger's house. Common sense; it has never happened before.

You think 7 women out on the town from New Jersey (i.e. in an unfamiliar neighborhood) just decide to whomp on some guy for fun, putting their own plans for the evening on hold? Huh? Has that EVER happened before?

if the victim were an old chinese woman, i'm sure the lesbians wouldn't be getting as much support as they are.

And you think old Chinese women are likely to say "I want some of that" when pointing to women's crotches?

and, of course, if the victim were a rich white man, they'd get even more support b/c of the tawana brawley/duke lax narrative (b/f the cases fell apart).

Cut the race baiting. (Where's OJ? About time he showed up for a cameo!)

but, he's a young black not-so-wealthy man. so even if we accept that the all white w.village jurors harboured hidden bias, how are we to explain that they rendered a verdict in complete contradiction to stereotypical behaviour?

Are you an American? Do you fully understand the racial politics and accompanying history of black/white in this country? I ask since you spell BEHAVIOUR like someone who doesn't actually live here.

If you have no direct experience of race in the USA, what actual study of American racism have you engaged in?

Have you ever studied the stats of how often white juries convict black defendants? Do you think it is acceptable, in a country that promises A JURY OF YOUR PEERS, to have a jury composed of people who are NOT your racial peers?

in other words, if they were biased, wouldn't they have seen reasonable doubt since its more plausible that the young black man was the aggressor. but ywt they saw him as the victim.

i suspect the video was convincing. but i could be wrong.


I personally have no sympathy for men who pick fights. Sorry, fresh out. Got more than he bargained for, huh?

Obviously, we gotta keep the streets safe for sexist assholes to make their nasty insults and follow women for blocks. I mean, what is the world coming to, if men don't have the basic freedom to do that?



oops, i'm anonymous above

2007-09-27T10:41:00.000-04:00

oops, i'm anonymous above



"even if you believe they "attacked" him without a...

2007-09-27T10:40:00.000-04:00

"even if you believe they "attacked" him without any reason--which is pretty fantastical stuff"

i agree. but why is it fantastical to us? lets face it, in part b/c of stereotypes. women, lesbians included, aren't stereotypically considered predators or aggressors. but men are, especially young black men.

if the victim were an old chinese woman, i'm sure the lesbians wouldn't be getting as much support as they are. and, of course, if the victim were a rich white man, they'd get even more support b/c of the tawana brawley/duke lax narrative (b/f the cases fell apart).

but, he's a young black not-so-wealthy man. so even if we accept that the all white w.village jurors harboured hidden bias, how are we to explain that they rendered a verdict in complete contradiction to stereotypical behaviour?

in other words, if they were biased, wouldn't they have seen reasonable doubt since its more plausible that the young black man was the aggressor. but ywt they saw him as the victim.

i suspect the video was convincing. but i could be wrong.



Interesting. I wonder who the "young men" were, a...

2007-09-26T15:40:00.000-04:00

Interesting. I wonder who the "young men" were, and why they decided to jump in?



"And okay, I'll bite: what does the fact that this...

2007-09-26T09:53:00.000-04:00

"And okay, I'll bite: what does the fact that this guy lives in Queens have to do with anything?"

i was countering the notion of hime being "upper crust." also, his colourful language on the stand counters this.

"Why was this confession kept out of court? Which one confessed?"

Not sure. there is a lack of reliable sources on this story, so i'm personally still skeptical. but i got this form wcbstv:
http://wcbstv.com/local/local_story_101212618.html

"Assistant District Attorney Sharon Laveson told the jury in opening statements that surveillance video will show that Johnson pulled a steak knife from her purse and stabbed Buckle with it.

Johnson admits she slashed Buckle with a knife but says she did it in self-defense, according to papers filed by prosecutors at her arraignment. Johnson's statement says she pulled out her knife after Buckle grabbed her arm and spat on one of her friends.

"As I got my knife, Renata hit him for spitting," Johnson's statement says. "Then everyone jumped in because he is a man. Then some young men had helped us. After that we walked away. I admit I did cut him one time for my own safety."



What is it with people???!Why cant they just accep...

2007-09-26T06:06:00.000-04:00

What is it with people???!
Why cant they just accept difference?



i don't think there's much ideology there. that's ...

2007-09-26T02:09:00.000-04:00

i don't think there's much ideology there. that's more a titillating man bites dog story. not every day you hear of a gang of violent lesbians.

I consider any supposedly "titillating" news story, particularly one that has been made as public as this one has been, to be ideological as well. Who gets titillated and why that is the agenda-setting tabloid story of the week, IS an ideological issue.

but the narrative of evil developers controlling the DA in hopes of raising their property values strikes me as ideological, which is not to say its wrong, but just that we must be vigilant towards ideologues who avoid inconvenient facts.

such as, the guy was black, lived in queens, one of the women confessed to the stabbing, and there is a video.


The video is repeatedly referred to in my post. Obviously, many people saw it and drew various conclusions from it. And okay, I'll bite: what does the fact that this guy lives in Queens have to do with anything? I've always assumed MOST people who work/make movies in NY do not actually live there, and are the "bridge and tunnel" crowd of legend...and this means--?

Why was this confession kept out of court? Which one confessed?

i don't automatically buy that the all-white jury was racist and homophobic (especially since the victim is black, spent 5 days in the hospital, and i'm sure the average bigot fears the black man over everyone else) and already some bloggers have left out some pertinent facts.

I don't think anyone has escaped indoctrination re: racism and homophobia, so this is where we differ.

As for bloggers leaving out facts--how did you like the New York Post's account of the "seething Sapphic septet"? You call that an unbiased account? Bloggers can hardly do worse.

but, nonetheless, i'm suspicious. a misogynist harassing a bunch of lesbians sounds believable to me, as opposed to vice versa. but people don't always live up to their stereotypes. so i'd like to see the video.

You don't have to see the video to come to the conclusion that the sentence is unduly harsh, even if you believe they "attacked" him without any reason--which is pretty fantastical stuff, as far as I am concerned (see SHOCK CORRIDOR reference)...



"The whole "lesbians attack innocent film-maker-ar...

2007-09-25T22:25:00.000-04:00

"The whole "lesbians attack innocent film-maker-artiste while he is just trying to make an honest buck" is ALSO an ideological narrative, you realize?"

i don't think there's much ideology there. that's more a titillating man bites dog story. not every day you hear of a gang of violent lesbians.

but the narrative of evil developers controlling the DA in hopes of raising their property values strikes me as ideological, which is not to say its wrong, but just that we must be vigilant towards ideologues who avoid inconvenient facts.

such as, the guy was black, lived in queens, one of the women confessed to the stabbing, and there is a video. i don't automatically buy that the all-white jury was racist and homophobic (especially since the victim is black, spent 5 days in the hospital, and i'm sure the average bigot fears the black man over everyone else) and already some bloggers have left out some pertinent facts.

but, nonetheless, i'm suspicious. a misogynist harassing a bunch of lesbians sounds believable to me, as opposed to vice versa. but people don't always live up to their stereotypes. so i'd like to see the video.



"but the facts should matter more than an ideologi...

2007-09-25T21:56:00.000-04:00

"but the facts should matter more than an ideological narrative"

The whole "lesbians attack innocent film-maker-artiste while he is just trying to make an honest buck" is ALSO an ideological narrative, you realize? I am presenting my alternative narrative to the dominant narrative that has obviously prevailed in this case.

I covered "reasonable doubt" in my last Phil Spector post. The problem with that concept, is that it presupposes reason. If jurors are already unreasonable, as they tend to be about race and/or gender, then anything "reasonable" has already gone out the window.



"And then there is the sensationalist matter of th...

2007-09-25T21:29:00.000-04:00

"And then there is the sensationalist matter of the so-called "hate crime" against a straight, professional man--a moviemaker, no less--the sort of upper-crust, artist-type fellow they WANT in the Village these days:"

ok, we know buckle is black, but was he a "professional," "upper-crust," "artist type." he was selling dvds on the street. i think i know the type, and it doesn't sound like he was sipping cosmos while debating aesthetics in fellini films.

now, from what i've heard, there sounds like reasonable doubt here, and i'm pretty conservative when it comes to justifiable force during self-defense. but the facts should matter more than an ideological narrative. luckily, buckle doesn't play lacrosse.



Thanks Belle, I corected it. I regret I didn't em...

2007-09-25T19:41:00.000-04:00

Thanks Belle, I corected it. I regret I didn't emphasize the fact that it was an all-white jury, but at least it was mentioned in the text quotes...

Wanted to add another link: QWOC: It's not the oppression olympics, but...




2007-09-25T19:23:00.000-04:00

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actually I believe the straight dude in question w...

2007-09-25T16:56:00.000-04:00

actually I believe the straight dude in question was black. other than that: yeah.