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Updated: 2017-11-15T14:32:01.460-05:00

 



dont you think that it's wrong to let random peopl...

2007-10-19T18:46:00.000-04:00

dont you think that it's wrong to let random people decide the verdict? I'm talking about the jury, If I've understood it correctly it's just random people that sits in the jury with no lawyer-education or education when it comes to moral and ethics.

Okay, you are doing a terrible thing here, forcing me to quote the likes of William F Buckley, but I just have to:

I'd rather entrust the government of the United States to the first 400 people listed in the Boston telephone directory than to the faculty of Harvard University.

I have to agree with him on that one.

Education does not guarantee fairness. Why would it? The jury in the Phil Spector murder trial was hung up by the foreman, an educated white man with a Ph.D.

In addition, "educated people" in the USA, often means people of means. The idea of a "jury of your peers" was to insure that the people judging you can fully appreciate and understand your values. At the time the "jury of your peers" concept was introduced in the Bill of Rights, the people who were guaranteed these rights were all white men, and these rules pointedly DID NOT apply to women, blacks or Native Americans. Crimes were not legally "equal"--depending upon who the victim was. A crime against a white man or his property (white women, children) was a "real" crime; nobody even prosecuted the murders of slaves, unmarried poor women with no benefactors, orphans or Indians. These days, we do prosecute them, but the juries are drawn from the pool of registered voters. This is hardly "random"--registered voters must have made the effort to register (i.e. time off work to do so, transportation to the place to register), must not have moved within a certain period of time, etc. Also, if you don't vote for a certain number of elections, you are automatically unregistered in some states. These economic factors disproportionately favor white people on juries.

This works in a number of ways. It works in the favor of a defendant like Spector, but against a victim like Martin.

The jury that returned this verdict was all-white. Perhaps if he had looked like their own son, they would have returned a different verdict. Or, perhaps if they had learned to mistrust/question authority, as American people of color have, again, a different verdict.

There is also the relatively new and disturbing trend of what are called "jury consultants"... during the voir dire process, a number of people (registered voters) are called in, and most dismissed. Any prejudicial factor could be enough to dismiss them. Example: you are from Sweden. If you moved here, and became a citizen called to jury duty, and the defendant or victim was also Swedish, there is a good chance they would dismiss you for that, believing that your loyalty to another Swede would over-ride the facts of the case. Other possible disqualifying factors: being a crime victim, family of law enforcement, etc. The lawyers are then in the second phase, and they get a certain number of dismissals each. The jury consultants fashion a battery of psychological tests to try to choose jurors sympathetic to the side they work for, which could be the defendant (famous jury consultant Jo-Ellan Demetrius worked for both OJ's defense team, as well as rapist William Kennedy Smith's defense team) or the plaintiff in a lawsuit. The jury consultants (and there was not one in Martin's case) have messed with the whole "random" aspect of juries. But of course, only if you have the major bucks to pay them; they certainly don't work cheap.

For a high-stakes drama about all this, check out the movie RUNAWAY JURY, with I think John Cusack? Not a great movie, but dramatizes the whole process I am describing.

Hope this made sense, and thank you so much for your comments! :)



Thanks for the welcome Daisy! Ofcourse we speak En...

2007-10-19T05:40:00.000-04:00

Thanks for the welcome Daisy! Ofcourse we speak English in Sweden, it's our second language and all children learns it since the age of 7 (If I remember correctly).

Anyway, this murder is terrible and the verdict is sick. I hope that the american people realize that there is a big problem with your system and you need to do major changes right now.

I hope you can take some criticism about the American justice system, dont you think that it's wrong to let random people decide the verdict? I'm talking about the jury , If I've understood it correctly it's just random people that sits in the jury with no lawyer-education or education when it comes to moral and ethics. In Sweden we got no jury. We got a judge and three other educated people that help the jury to decide what the verdict should be.

This is their fulltime jobs.

RIP Martin Lee Anderson. Good luck U.S



Daisy, it seems we both had this on our minds. I s...

2007-10-16T21:22:00.000-04:00

Daisy, it seems we both had this on our minds. I swear, I could have saved myself the trouble of writing two posts about this and just linked to yours instead. Are you reading my mind, Miss?



I'm getting a buncha hits on this thread from a li...

2007-10-15T13:41:00.000-04:00

I'm getting a buncha hits on this thread from a list/message board in Sweden, so I assume the thread is linked there. I'd love to hear your thoughts and opinions, if anyone speaks English? (and I assume so, since I write in English? Or is it translated?)

In any event, WELCOME Swedish readers! :)



"The last thing we wanted was for any kid to come ...

2007-10-13T03:31:00.000-04:00

"The last thing we wanted was for any kid to come into boot camp with physical ailments that would cause him to injure himself," said Helms

Injure himself, eh? Damn that kid for killing himself and causing those poor innocent prison guards so much distress.

If there wasn't a verdict already, I would have said, it's going to be not guilty. The cops, prison officials, just about anyone in this country can get away with murdering POC.



Not Guilty - this is disgusting

2007-10-13T01:48:00.000-04:00

Not Guilty - this is disgusting



Verdict: Not guilty, so say we all.They have depl...

2007-10-12T13:25:00.000-04:00

Verdict: Not guilty, so say we all.

They have deployed riot police outside the courtroom, as well they should.



Helms, of course soldiers don't die when they're s...

2007-10-12T11:02:00.000-04:00

Helms, of course soldiers don't die when they're supossed to be running laps! Soldiers, even those in-training like ROTC kids, have been running and training. They know thy don't have any health conditions that would affect their performance. They want to be there so they try their best and aren't generally force-fed pills!
Hell, soldiers are all adults, not 14-year old kids.

And who wants to bet he went to the hospital to try and do some damage-control?



"Hovering over the case is the decreased value and...

2007-10-12T09:02:00.000-04:00

"Hovering over the case is the decreased value and humanity of young black males in our culture"

This says it all....its disturbing and disgusting. I don't have cable so please keep us updated on what happens. Slap on the wrist is my guess.



medical disinformation,m sickle cell trait doesn'...

2007-10-11T15:30:00.000-04:00

medical disinformation,m sickle cell trait doesn't produce symptoms or illness. jesse jackson, lots of people have it. it just means you are a carrier of the disease