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Comments on Deep Thoughts: Email from a 14 year old fundie





Updated: 2017-10-19T15:45:14.598-07:00

 



So Mojoey, Any comments? Oh and by the way, when I...

2006-10-29T20:48:00.000-08:00

So Mojoey, Any comments? Oh and by the way, when I was thinking about our debate I decided to make a different website- to focuss on that issue of the belief in evolution.

I'm sorry if I appeared to say:
"I'm right, your wrong and I won't pay attention to your belief." I really want to help you understand the truth of God's existance. If you think I'm pushing Bible down your throat, then lets settle with this fact: There is a designer, One who placed our fully set up and functioning bodies in the beautiful earth that He created. If you don't believe in who the Creator is, then at least accept that He's there, whoever you believe Him to be. Then maybe you can look into who He has revieled Himself to be.



Oh and sorry about not posting a link... Well not ...

2006-10-20T16:38:00.000-07:00

Oh and sorry about not posting a link...
Well not too sorry, because if I had posted a link you would not have clicked it. Since its right there you have to pass it every time.



There is nothing wrong with the truth -fundamental...

2006-10-14T15:56:00.000-07:00

There is nothing wrong with the truth -fundamentalism- because how can you know the complicanted things if you don't know the fundamantals. GOD'S Word is not all we believe, its the fundamentals that we base facts on. We all know that 2+2=4, but some believe that God gave us that knowledge and others believe that evolution magically presented it to our minds. It may seem that most Christians turned to this faith because of their parents or for no reason but to satisfy fears of hell; but then they are not true Christians. Christian belief does not consist of just a book without proof, though that is what you may think. I know you don't care what Answers in Genesis has to say, if you did and you looked into it then you would be proven wrong. We know fact, fact is easy. Its how we interprit it that matters.



Raquel, the problem is your fundamentalism. You ho...

2006-10-13T21:50:00.000-07:00

Raquel, the problem is your fundamentalism. You hold the bible to be the word of god and infallible. You believe that no person is right to change it or disagree with it. What is there to talk about?

Fundamentalists do not "Know the fundamentals". They instead limit their intellect to a literal interpretation of the bible. Anything that contracts the bible is suspect. Arguing with a Fundamentalist is futile.

My blog is meant to discuss issues like this. I'll be happy to discuss your fundamentalism. ID and Evolution seem a little heady, but I'll even take a whack at that too, provided I am on an even footing. I've read the bible several times. Have you read The Origin of Species or On Natural Selection?

I am not interested in what Answers in Genesis has to say. Science has already withstood the best they had to offer. What do you have to say? Why do you believe what you believe? These are the questions that matter. So, let us start with something simple. Why are you a Christian?



Fundie is the slang usage of what I am. And fundam...

2006-10-13T17:15:00.000-07:00

Fundie is the slang usage of what I am. And fundamentalists know the f u n d a m e n t a l s, the simplest things. Othyer people don't-as I can see.

First of all dressing RG's suggestion makes anyone look completely hideous -whether they want to admit it or not- and being dragged to church is not necessary.
-I'm not that rebellious
-I enjoy youth group, got the best pastor.
-Acting like an a young, rebellious child all your life, is not going to make you any older./no duh/ Thinking for yourself doesn't come from acting like a brat all your life, it just gives you the wrong ideas. =/

I can argue and disprove evolution if I want to (age doesn't matter, I can prove a point whether you believe it or not -just to let you know-)
->RG you are right, but only on one point. I do ignor his incorrect remarks.

One more side note, if I didn't use my brain, then what would be the point? Usually adults and some children are blessed with the gift of understanding the difference between stupidity from using your head. Now I know that not all of them are.



Funny that RG - and right too.

2006-10-10T22:00:00.000-07:00

Funny that RG - and right too.



Raquel, ignore him. Whatever you do don't use your...

2006-10-10T21:54:00.000-07:00

Raquel, ignore him. Whatever you do don't use your brain. At your age "logic" and "arguments" are necessarily regurgitating other peoples ideas. Take his first round of advice and listen to Rock N' Roll. Preferably punk. Paint your nails black die your hair pink, wear a leather jacket, in the long run you'll be better off. After you've shocked the pants off of your family and they haven't been able to drag you to church for a few years you'll be able to start thinking for yourself. At that point if you become religious again, it will actually mean something, and if you don't that will be for good reasons too.



Raquel, next time post a link. The bible is a co...

2006-10-10T19:31:00.000-07:00

Raquel, next time post a link.

The bible is a collection of myths and wishfull thinking.

Scientific thinking rules the day.

The only thing we agree on is that spelling don't count.

btw - fundie is slang for fundamentalist. It's not a nice term, but it is accurate. Fundies turn their brain off when the try to use the bible to explains the natural world. Use your brain.



Well here's the 14 year old "fundie" as you call m...

2006-10-10T17:54:00.000-07:00

Well here's the 14 year old "fundie" as you call me... I didn't even know that was a word. Here's some information from the "Answers in Genesis" website. Here's my proof, how my belief is true. And for someone who is debating the reason why we even got here, spelling shouldn't matter!/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/Creation: ‘where’s the proof?’When the person you talk to on creation insists that you ‘leave the Bible out of it’, they are really saying the deck should be stacked one way.by Ken HamOver the years, many people have challenged me with a question like:‘I’ve been trying to witness to my friends. They say they don’t believe the Bible and aren’t interested in the stuff in it. They want real proof that there’s a God who created, and then they’ll listen to my claims about Christianity. What proof can I give them without mentioning the Bible so they’ll start to listen to me?’Briefly, my response is as follows.EvidenceCreationists and evolutionists, Christians and non-Christians all have the same evidence—the same facts. Think about it: we all have the same earth, the same fossil layers, the same animals and plants, the same stars—the facts are all the same.The difference is in the way we all interpret the facts. And why do we interpret facts differently? Because we start with different presuppositions. These are things that are assumed to be true, without being able to prove them. These then become the basis for other conclusions. All reasoning is based on presuppositions (also called axioms). This becomes especially relevant when dealing with past events.Past and presentWe all exist in the present—and the facts all exist in the present. When one is trying to understand how the evidence came about (Where did the animals come from? How did the fossil layers form? etc.), what we are actually trying to do is to connect the past to the present.However, if we weren’t there in the past to observe events, how can we know what happened so we can explain the present? It would be great to have a time machine so we could know for sure about past events.Christians of course claim they do, in a sense, have a ‘time machine’. They have a book called the Bible which claims to be the Word of God who has always been there, and has revealed to us the major events of the past about which we need to know. On the basis of these events (Creation, Fall, Flood, Babel, etc.), we have a set of presuppositions to build a way of thinking which enables us to interpret the evidence of the present.Evolutionists have certain beliefs about the past/present that they presuppose, e.g. no God (or at least none who performed acts of special creation), so they build a different way of thinking to interpret the evidence of the present.Thus, when Christians and non-Christians argue about the evidence, in reality they are arguing about their interpretations based on their presuppositions.That’s why the argument often turns into something like:‘Can’t you see what I’m talking about?’‘No, I can’t. Don’t you see how wrong you are?’‘No, I’m not wrong. It’s obvious that I’m right.’‘No, it’s not obvious.’ And so on.These two people are arguing about the same evidence, but they are looking at the evidence through different glasses.It’s not until these two people recognize the argument is really about the presuppositions they have to start with, that they will begin to deal with the foundational reasons for their different beliefs. A person will not interpret the evidence differently until they put on a different set of glasses—which means to change one’s presuppositions.I’ve found that a Christian who understands these things can actually put on the evolutionist’s glasses (without accepting the presuppositions as true) and understand how they look at evidence. Howeve[...]