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I'm not a runner, but linked through from a web ar...

2007-10-03T03:24:00.000-07:00

I'm not a runner, but linked through from a web article and read your entire story. I'm really impressed with your attitude adjustment mid-stream. Congrats on that and your renewed health. I trust there'll be other seasons and other races when you take home the prize.



Scott,I understand your fruteration on getting los...

2007-09-29T15:17:00.000-07:00

Scott,

I understand your fruteration on getting lost. You took the picture of me running in the trees. I was running my first 100 and got lost at mile 26 for 20 minutes and mile 71 for 1 hour and 40 minutes. This really sucked because I felt great and was on a 19 hour 30 minute pace but finished in 22 19. I also talked to norm and got the same response. I ran a total between 10-12 miles. But oh well what can you do.

Patrick McCloskey



Greg -I further confused the matter by only asking...

2007-09-28T17:33:00.000-07:00

Greg -

I further confused the matter by only asking about the 100-milers. Alas!

I think that's a great idea about the big sign, although it's hard to idiot-proof from people like me who don't read the course info thoroughly beforehand. But every bit helps I guess.

Let me also apologize if the blog entry in any way made you or your fellow volunteers badly. I tend to write first person and put down my raw thoughts as they happen, and it took me a while to digest that I was personally at fault (ie, right around the time I face planted). It was quite clear to me from that point on that this was largely my own fault for not preparing well - a good lesson to share.

I think the world of you guys for putting on these races and you really do an amazing job. I often wonder who works harder in an ultra, the volunteers or the runners.

You are welcome to contact me directly at scottdunlap (at) yahoo.com if you feel something here needs to be corrected or would like to continue the dialog further in private. I appreciate your integrity in reaching out.

Cheers, SD



Thanks ScottThis does help clear up the confusion ...

2007-09-28T17:20:00.000-07:00

Thanks Scott
This does help clear up the confusion .Jan was taking times and numbers. Larry and I were working with the runners Drinks and food needs. The Gentleman you were talking to about " the leaders" was the communications operator . The problem was you were the leader of your race so there wasn't any time between you and the "leaders" . Maybe he or someone else at the station (by stander even) pointed you in the wrong direction . I don't believe it was one of us . At this point I guess it really doesn't matter . The important thing is we all learn from it and try to make it better next year. I think we need another sign stating Sierra Nevada Turn Around and Either different color numbers or different series of numbers 100's vs 400's .What do you think would help ? By the way you were not the only Sierra Nevada runner to turn up that trail . We had to make a sign out of cardboard and keep asking each runner that went up if they were running Rio or Sierra.

Thanks Again for your understanding
Greg



Scott - very inspiring to read about your quick & ...

2007-09-28T17:03:00.000-07:00

Scott - very inspiring to read about your quick & remarkable comeback from injury! I got lost in my last race due to a poorly marked course and missed setting a PR, and I fumed about it for 2 days. Thanks for the comments that will help provide perspective for me next time this happens!



Greg -I apologize if I remember it differently, bu...

2007-09-28T10:16:00.000-07:00

Greg -

I apologize if I remember it differently, but you are right that it's no excuse to not know the course. I think that was part of the reason why it was easy to have a good attitude - it was my own fault for not knowing in advance where to turn around, and only I am to blame for that. I should know by now that there's no excuse for not knowing the course.

Here's how I remember the conversation - please do clarify if you think I got it wrong:

1) When approaching the aid station, I was asked what distance I was running and my split was marked down in the books.

2) You guys did an awesome job filling up my water bottles and I ate some food.

3) I asked about how far I was behind the front-runners in the 100-miler, and a gentleman noting down the times let me know that Jon Olsen was a half hour ahead and Mark Tanaka was 4 minutes ahead. I made some remarks about how amazing it was they could go so fast and be covering twice the distance, and we all joked at how insane that was.

4) I asked "where do I go next?", and a gentleman pointed up the trail to Cool for a "short loop" and that you guys would see me again on the way back.

Again, I don't mean this to be an excuse for not knowing the course. But that is how I remember it. I think Norm's comments to me reflected the same thing - there's really no excuse to not know the trail.

SD

PS - To all of you who have written up the race on your own blog, be sure to hyperlink back to your reports in your comments. It will help your Google rank!



Scott,Sorry you lost the win, but, uh, from my sel...

2007-09-27T22:29:00.000-07:00

Scott,

Sorry you lost the win, but, uh, from my selfish point of view, I got to appear in your blog with that shot you took at mile 57...

Seriously, though, I majorly jeopardized my lead at last year's ultrarunner.net series when I got off course near the end of Lake of the Sky and added about 20-25 minutes to my time. My fault, but then the next weekend at Whiskeytown the volunteer who was directing runners at an intersection towards the 5th aid station must've been relieving himself or something, and there were no signs or ribbons, so I finished the race in 2nd place only to find that I hadn't really finished the race since I missed a whole aid station and 1.5 miles and then had to ask the RD to disqualify me. So I can sort of relate.

Maybe Robert Mathis should consider giving you pro-rated points for the race, but I guess that's his call.

You ran great, especially as a comeback from injury.

Plus, your comments to miles-run ratio for a race-based posting is now 1:2 or 0.5, tops in the field!



ScottFirst let me say great job on both the run an...

2007-09-27T20:21:00.000-07:00

Scott
First let me say great job on both the run and your attitude .I do however have to disagree with the way it all took place at no hands .I was there and talked to you . You never asked for or received any directions from myself or any of the other volunteers. I not very happy to read that a volunteer give you wrong directions because it just isn't true. To blame this mistake on anyone else is wrong . You are a veteran runner . The course is a clear out and back. You and almost every trail runner has run the wrong way at least once in a race.
Good luck the rest of the season
No Hand Aid Station Captain
Greg Young



I was suprised not to see you coming back from no ...

2007-09-27T20:03:00.000-07:00

I was suprised not to see you coming back from no hands bridge (and even more suprised to be in 1st place), but the adversity will make you stronger for the next race.

Sean



Scott,Firstly congratulatuions on a superb 60-mile...

2007-09-27T15:18:00.000-07:00

Scott,

Firstly congratulatuions on a superb 60-miler! It's amazing that you ran so many miles after not running much for the past 2 months. That speaks volumes of your courage, your amazing conditioning and and your ability to heal.

I am proudest of your ability to turn a "negative" occurrence into a wonderful run. Not many would have been able to do it. It was a test of your character and you came through with flying colors.

Rajeev



Scott,Wow, your amazingly positive attitude about ...

2007-09-26T14:33:00.000-07:00

Scott,
Wow, your amazingly positive attitude about this run must be a big reason why you are such an awesome runner! I'll remember your story the next time I take a wrong turn on the trail.
Diane



scott,great seeing you out there. nice write up. ...

2007-09-26T13:10:00.000-07:00

scott,

great seeing you out there. nice write up. i am glad you had such healthy atittude on the extra mileage especially when you were winning the race. look forward to see you at other races.

cheers!

hao



Scott, I can put you in touch with Jon if you want...

2007-09-26T08:32:00.000-07:00

Scott,

I can put you in touch with Jon if you want to ask him about an interview. Drop me an email if you want.

-Jasper



Scott,Congrats on finishing and keeping such a gre...

2007-09-25T19:40:00.000-07:00

Scott,

Congrats on finishing and keeping such a great attitude! And it's ok to be frustrated sometimes. You're only human. The occasional moment of frustration is healthy. What matters is how one handles it.

-Dave



I'm glad you're back to running again, but what a ...

2007-09-25T18:59:00.000-07:00

I'm glad you're back to running again, but what a rude way to be brought back into it!



Scott, sorry to hear what happens. That sucks. Any...

2007-09-25T17:03:00.000-07:00

Scott, sorry to hear what happens. That sucks. Anyway the thing that really matters is that you are back running healthy.

See you out there.
Thomas



Tom Riley, Chihping Fu, Michael Kanning, Suzie Lis...

2007-09-25T15:49:00.000-07:00

Tom Riley, Chihping Fu, Michael Kanning, Suzie Lister, and Peter Lubbers - you guys are rock stars! Nice job out there. Tom, a great 4th place finish!

Michael, you're right about interviewing Jon - if I could only pace with him long enough to ask! ;-)

SD



Hi Scott,Dude, it impresses me more that you had t...

2007-09-25T15:07:00.000-07:00

Hi Scott,

Dude, it impresses me more that you had the character to, as you said, keep your "cool", after what happened, because I know you would have won the race anyways. If the opposite had happened to me, and they turned me around at No Hands Bridge when I was doing RDL, I don't think I would be able to take it as well. Don't worry about it too much; you'll make up for it with some awesome performances at Lake of the Sky and Helen Klein coming up.

-Michael Kanning

P.S. You should do one of your awesome interviews with Jon Olsen, who ran a crazy fast 15:31 and won for the third year in a row!



Hey Scott. I'm glad to see you running again so so...

2007-09-25T14:32:00.000-07:00

Hey Scott. I'm glad to see you running again so soon after your injury. Congrats on a great run on a beautiful course. I was so jealous of all you runners enjoying perfect running weather. Thanks for being honest with us about your frustrations coming down K2. All we saw was your good attitude taking it all in stride. It's good to know you were initially upset like I think we all would be. Glad you got it under control though, and put things back in perspective. K2 is a good time eh? Sometimes it's hard to tell if Norm is joking or not.

Derek



Not to worry, Scott. What comes around, goes arou...

2007-09-25T14:14:00.000-07:00

Not to worry, Scott. What comes around, goes around. Word will get out that the RD is an a$$.



good to see you again scott. glad the pain is gon...

2007-09-25T13:44:00.000-07:00

good to see you again scott. glad the pain is gone. were you showing off running extra miles and still finishing ahead of tons of people??? sorry, kidding. sounds like you might be healed, that is good.
tom riley



Scott,Glad to hear that you are back to full stren...

2007-09-25T13:41:00.000-07:00

Scott,

Glad to hear that you are back to full strength! That didn't take you long at all.

I would be a lot more angry than you are about the situation, though. Good job not getting mad at the volunteers - they likely weren't briefed well and made an honest mistake. But if an RD can't at the very least show a little compassion for a runner that has been misdirected, through no fault of their own, maybe that RD has the wrong temperament to be directing races.

-Jasper



Hi Scott,I enjoyed running with you early in the d...

2007-09-25T11:46:00.000-07:00

Hi Scott,
I enjoyed running with you early in the day and was wondering where you went when you did not come back at the turn around!
I know that had to be frustrating...but you got in some great training miles. :-)
Stay healthy and I will look for you at future runs,
Take care,
Suzie



Scott, in order: yes, congratulation on a pain fre...

2007-09-25T11:14:00.000-07:00

Scott, in order: yes, congratulation on a pain free run, and a fast one to boot - leading the race for half the time, you would have won it hands down! Also, it is quite normal to get frustrated with what had happened, and way to snap out of it! I had never gotten lost for more than 2 miles, and all of it was my fault, so I couldn't blame anyone, bummer that volunteers made a mistake, and gracious of you to not be mad at them (eventually). Having volunteered over a dozen of times myself, it's a hard job, yet rewarding indeed, and I hope not to ever make same mistake when I do in the future. RDL is known for vandalism on course marking (although your detour was for a different reason) and I can understand Norm somewhat. But where I am leading with it is that I am very much surprised and taken aback by his response to your story. Not even that he didn't give you some kind of credit, but that he actually yelled at you instead of apologizing...how weird. At this point we can just all put it behind, I guess, or try to. Stay healthy and happy.