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Hiatus

Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:17:44 GMT

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As some of you may have noticed, there haven't been any Linkspam posts in a while. Given that many of the mods are busy with real life at the moment, we've decided to turn the de facto hiatus into an official one. When we return (date to be determined), we are hoping to finish our long-awaited warnings policy and to recruit some new linkspammers.

Thanks to our readers for all of the help, support and advice that you've offered us over the past months.

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Victorientalism #2

Wed, 17 Mar 2010 23:26:29 GMT

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Women in Horror

Mon, 15 Mar 2010 22:57:31 GMT

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Isms & Intersectionality #3

Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:35:37 GMT

Posted by: linkspam_mod[Note: This is a linkspam on the general topic of isms and intersectionality rather than an archive of a focused ongoing discussion.]sqbr: Derailing by numbers The way I see it there are two parts to a derail:1)Avoidance: the motivation to shift the conversation away from oppression one is complicit in to a less confronting topic.2)Direction change:the effect of the off topic post to shift the conversation away from the voices of the particular marginalised group currently under discussion.Afaict a "derail" is defined to be any post/comment etc with both of these. But the way I see it we should avoid both, whether or not they happen simultaneously. sqbr: A shocking turn of events So, the universe (via it's earthly representative linkspam) has kindly decided to give me a real world example of the hypothetical derailing conversation I came up with. wistfuljane: Artwork: Untitled [Warning: See artist's comment in pullquote below] this, in the loosest sense of word, artwork deals with systemic oppression and may be potentially triggering for some? phoebe_zeitgeist: some poll results When I posted my anonymous poll about reactions to what was then the latest round of -ism/appropriation discussion in fandom a few weeks ago, I promised that I'd report back on the results, if and to the extent that anything interesting and/or useful seemed to emerge from them. When I said that I'd figured that the worst a report could do would be to bore people, and hadn't considered the risk that it might help re-ignite an argument that had died down. So I've been torn between guilt over not posting a writeup and guilt over posting one.Thus, my compromise: I'm posting an abbreviated version, and over Escapade weekend, when there's a more than fair possibility that it will pass unnoticed by all. Because I like having cake, and I like eating it. sirriamnis: Ok, can someone explain this to me? [Warning: Erasure of trans women in comments] [ETA 5:58 PM EST: Post locked] Why is everyone unlikely to cut someone slack when they fuck up (re: disablism, feminism, sexism, racism, etc...) if that person has a history of being a good ally? All blockquotes are pullquotes from the original post. Any text in square brackets [ TEXT ] is entered by a linkspam mod.As requested by readers of the community, linkspam posts of six or more links with blockquotes will be cut for length.Comments are screened by default, but will be unscreened as long as they are not derailing, abusive or off-topic. If you have thoughts on the content of one of our links, please comment there and not here. Please let us know if you would prefer your comment to remain screened.You can post further links in the comments to this post or send them to our Delicious account.Additionally, comments/suggestions/feedback can be left at our feedback post. comments[...]



Victorientalism

Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:31:48 GMT

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Disney & Rapunzel

Sun, 14 Mar 2010 13:33:50 GMT

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World SF

Sat, 13 Mar 2010 22:38:15 GMT

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Amanda Palmer & Ableism #8

Sat, 13 Mar 2010 21:01:50 GMT

Posted by: linkspam_modbowieelfmanfan: This is going too far. [Warning: Tangential to subject] Now, I know people are going to say "alright, they got angry, but the way AFP handled it wasn't good." I have to agree - I thought she could have handled it better. However, she has a life, and she has every right to block out what they might be saying for the moment and focus on her work. We've all had moments where we've had to block out criticism and go on with work. I don't think that we should judge someone for doing the same thing. She addressed the problem in her blog (in this entry to be exact), and people still jumped down her throat saying that it wasn't good enough. Look, she apologized, obviously she doesn't want to offend anyone, but she understands the drama that makes a good story.modillian: [Untitled; discusses OP's disappointment with Amanda Palmer] I mean, yes, I am pissed off that someone who I had formerly respected and gushed over must now be eliminated from my fandom and from my sphere of enjoyment, and I am even more pissed off that she's being such an ignorant ignorerer, and now she's been mocking "disabled feminists" on TV, and just, uuuugh. I am still so shocked that she thinks she can just brush aside all these people, who I'd thought she'd claimed as her people. Ally @ Every Crooked Step Forward: Well, There Goes That PlanWhen you pretend to be a cliche of a disability, you are not doing it to be avant-garde. You are not doing it to make a statement about us. You are not doing it because you find it 'creative' or 'interesting.' You are doing it for the freak factor. You further the idea that the best we can ask for is that it will one day be okay to be a freak, when what you could be doing, is standing next to us in support as we explain to the world that we were never freaks to begin with. [The following link shifts focus from the ableist aspects to the problematic handling of class in the Evelyn Evelyn project] aquaeri: Amanda Palmer's quest for world alienation But AFP decided to include a whole new slew of people in her next round of offensiveness, just so I and many others wouldn't feel left out, I guess. I don't know the name for the kind of -ism where city people have denigrating stereotypes about farmers, but that's the one where I feel like she's taking aim at me and my family. All blockquotes are pullquotes from the original post. Any text in square brackets [ TEXT ] is entered by a linkspam mod.As requested by readers of the community, linkspam posts of six or more links with blockquotes will be cut for length.Comments are screened by default, but will be unscreened as long as they are not derailing, abusive or off-topic. If you have thoughts on the content of one of our links, please comment there and not here. Please let us know if you would prefer your comment to remain screened.You can post further links in the comments to this post or send them to our Delicious account.Additionally, comments/suggestions/feedback can be left at our feedback post. comments[...]



About the disappearing linkspam.

Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:35:58 GMT

Posted by: (image) linkspam_mod

As I'm sure some of you noticed last night there was a linkspam and then the linkspam was gone. Briefly, we messed up and the linkspam will not be reappearing.

In order to protect the main person involved as much as possible at this late point in time the explanation is going to be a little vague and possibly won't make much sense unless you saw the now gone linkspam. I'm sorry about that but other considerations are more important in this case.

The reason why the linkspam was retracted is that the posts in the linkspam used as a starting point an experience of an individual. The individual concerned was both being hurt by the way their experience was being used and by the information being spread more broadly across the internet.

As linkspam is a means of dissemination of information once we knew that the linkspam was actively harming a member of the community we could not in good conscience leave it up. Hence the removal of the linkspam and we cannot include in future linkspams links that talk about the specific events concerned or that have it as a major theme within their comments.

All of the linkspam mods would like to apologise for the distress caused to the individual involved.

-Aedh

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Amanda Palmer & Ableism #7

Wed, 03 Mar 2010 02:14:40 GMT

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Amanda Palmer & Ableism #6

Wed, 24 Feb 2010 01:31:41 GMT

Posted by: linkspam_modJulian @ gender, rants, and sodomy: broken hearted As an artist I know what it is like to nurture an idea in your heart, in your mind, in your soul. But sometimes I can let my love of a project blind me to the nature of it— it is easy to let our love of our work (because our work is self at times) blind us to privileged and oppression. But we must not let this happen. If we fight against oppression (and AFP fights oppression, all the time) we must not choose and pick which oppressions to fight for. It is hypocritical and wrong to place one fight above another. We must fight ALL institutional privileged, because ALL institutional privilege affects every one of us. There is no "one" cause, or "one" fight that is more important because they are all so intricately connected and entwined.Annaham @ FWD: Who Killed Civil Discourse? Evelyn Evelyn, Marginalization, and Internet Discussion I'd like to take a moment to talk about some basic principles of anti-oppression activism and social justice work that intersect with the work we do here at FWD, as some very specific structural issues and contexts are absolutely relevant in this discussion. Often, marginalized people are encouraged and expected to be sensitive and accommodating to the attitudes and prejudices of the dominant culture and to those of less-marginalized (ie: more privileged) people. However, this sensitivity and accommodation usually does not run both ways. Marginalized people, if they criticize something that (for example) leaves them out or makes them feel awful, are often told that they are being overly sensitive or overemotional, that they just misunderstand intent, that they are exaggerating, or that their tone is not polite enough. They are then expected to modify their behavior — and their self-expression – to fit with the norms and values of those who are more privileged.fizzyblogic: on the responses to the evelyn evelyn controversy Curiously, I feel better because they "apologised". I never expected them to actually apologise — if they could acknowledge the real and lived pain of abuse survivors and people with disabilities, and the inherent offensiveness, oppressiveness and entirely-made-of-clichés nature of their project, they wouldn't be making it like this in the first place. I do actually feel a little better about the whole thing because I know that they heard us. They didn't listen, but they still heard us. Maybe something will worm its way through to their unconscious and they'll fail better next time.Cynthia von Buhler @ The Shadowbox forums: Cynthia's Post About Evelyn Evelyn [OP is artist responsible for the album artwork and graphic novel of the Evelyn Evelyn project] When I read the graphic novel I had a completely opposite view on all of the hot topics: porn, animal abuse, etc. It made me reflect on all of these issues. I never felt that anyone was being made fun of. We have been discussing all of this and we want you to know that the very last thing any of us want to do is hurt anyones feelings. These discussions are important. Please read the book when it comes out and I believe that you will see what I mean.Vince Mascoli @ My Blog: My Response to the Evelyn Evelyn Controversy [OP created a music video for the Evelyn Evelyn project] [Warning: Problematic, and Tangential to subject] I have read a little bit, and I'm frankly disappointed that no one is judging the album based on the album, since it hasn't even dropped yet. I agree with Amanda that it's about context. You have to hear the album to decide how you feel about it yourself. The ardent music fan in me is mad about the controversy, the animator/artist/business person in me is excited.All blockquotes are pullquotes from the original post. Any text in square brackets [ TEXT ] is[...]



Amanda Palmer & Ableism #5

Tue, 23 Feb 2010 00:50:39 GMT

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Amanda Palmer & Ableism #4

Sun, 21 Feb 2010 00:39:04 GMT

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Amanda Palmer and Ableism #3

Fri, 19 Feb 2010 23:53:18 GMT

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Isms and Intersectionality #2

Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:31:09 GMT

Posted by: linkspam_modwistfuljane: Let's make this post about me stuff white people do made a post awhile ago titled offer white apologetics (instead of just apologizing). The subject is not new, but it hit a chord with me when I was at a stage where I felt like I had to apologize for my words and feelings.So let's talk about the fallout of my post on Act of Derailing, okay? Here are some of the things I feel like I need to apologize for...But there are no need to apologize to me for...stoneself: derailing it isn't that there isn't a point to what you are saying.wistfuljane: I've becoming one of the people who can't stop clarifying I left the contexts in my Act of Derailing post unexplained and expanded a little on them in the Let's make this post about me post but I need to let it out:There have always been attempts at dictating anti-oppression discourse by those in a higher privilege status and changing or dismissing terms to fit their needs than those in a lower privilege status (e.g. men with feminism discourse, white people with racism discourse, etc. etc.). I posted Act of Derailing as a reaction to what I saw as the same type of actions if different circumstances (as in much of the same level of privilege, but different marginalized groups) - or rather applying terms of intersectionality discourse to general or specific -ism discourse, making, to borrow someone's description, an universal rule for all -ism discourse.bobbiewickham: A Quick Glance at Fandom Prejudices, Using Leverage as a Case Study Yes, sometimes you just like what you like, and policing your desires into fairness is no fun. Fair enough. And I can't see into the inside of your own personal head, so I can't tell if a particular individual has bigoted motives. But don't expect me to believe fandom as a whole is not shaped by bigotry.All blockquotes are pullquotes from the original post. Any text in square brackets [ TEXT ] is entered by a linkspam mod.As requested by readers of the community, linkspam posts of six or more links with blockquotes will be cut for length.Comments are screened by default, but will be unscreened as long as they are not derailing, abusive or off-topic. If you have thoughts on the content of one of our links, please comment there and not here. Please let us know if you would prefer your comment to remain screened.You can post further links in the comments to this post or send them to our Delicious account.Additionally, comments/suggestions/feedback can be left at our feedback post. comments[...]



ZombieFail

Fri, 19 Feb 2010 00:42:38 GMT

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Amanda Palmer and Ableism #2

Fri, 19 Feb 2010 00:09:06 GMT

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[Potential Trigger Warning: This linkspam includes links which may contain mentions of and references to fictional descriptions of child sexual abuse.]

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Amanda Palmer & Ableism #1

Thu, 18 Feb 2010 00:54:49 GMT

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[Potential Trigger Warning: This linkspam includes links which may contain mentions of and references to fictional descriptions of child sexual abuse.]

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LBGT Linkspam #13

Sat, 13 Feb 2010 21:42:08 GMT

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[NOTE: Focus in this linkspam is on LBGT Issues that are tangential to the "gay men and slash" discussion.]

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-Isms and Intersectionality Linkspam #1

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 22:45:47 GMT

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Combined Linkspams: Gender and Con Safety #1, Gender and Slash #5

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 02:55:45 GMT

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[Trigger Warning: Discussion of gender and con safety includes discussion of sexual harassment at cons]

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LGBT Issues: Linkspam #12

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 02:23:31 GMT

Posted by: linkspam_modfairestcat: *rages* DID YOU SEE WHAT SHE DID THERE??? Because I sure as hell did. Let me break it down. She suspects that "some female slash writers" who say they're bisexual are just doing it to "gain credibility". But of course, she'd never imply that any specific person were doing that, oh no, she'll just vaguely suggest that "some" of them are, thus casting the net of suspicion and doubt as wide as possible .alixtii: Femslash and the Lesbian Experience. Which Is Clearly Not My Experience. It makes sense to me, in a more-or-less purely theoretical way... that may be totally wrong, that a predominately queer female body of writers writing for a predominately queer female audience about characters who are in some sense or another queer and femele doesn't require them focusing on how they are representing themselves (because the people to whom they are representing themselves are themselves), or at least not how they are representing themselves in any way which requires realism. Rather that which is being represented is a set of hopes and dreams, fears and fantasies. It's not a mirror that's intended to exist without distortion; indeed, given the grim reality of so many queer female lives, it'd be the source of much pain and anguish if it were. Femslash, no less than m/m slash, is frequently a genre of escapist literature (although, of course, it doesn't have to be, and it can be in ways other than the immediately obvious).bodlon: More thoughts about hot man-on-man action On the whole, I find the position that slash (or mainstream m/m fiction written by or for women) is anti-gay hard to sustain. I agree that it’s problematic in that there’s a tremendous amount of appropriation going on, and that there’s a significant amount of factual error and projection happening, but slash doesn’t arise out of some sort of hostile impulse. Practically speaking, slash exists virtually independently of Actual Gay Men. The only necessary thing that Actual Gay men and slash have in common is the idea that men can be attracted to one another emotionally and/or sexually. If Actual Gay Men were a significant factor for slash to exist (or if slash were a significant factor for Actual Gay Men), there would be more of a connection there.mistresscurvy: On Privilege and Responsibility However. There is a huge difference between saying that there are instances of problematic characterizations or plot points or objectification that should be addressed and saying that women aren't allowed to write about gay men's experiences fullstop. The fact that there are examples of fail within a genre doesn't mean that the entirety of the genre is rotten. This is the exact opposite of the straw man argument from RaceFail09 that since it's so difficult for a white person to write characters of color without failing in some manner, they shouldn't even try. I do believe that writers have a greater responsibility to fully consider how they write characters of marginalized groups they're not members of, but there is a huge difference between that and saying you shouldn't write them at all because you don't belong.avendya: (no subject) [Poll on demographics of fandom; DW version] avendya: (no subject) [Poll on demographics of fandom; LJ version] This poll is simply trying prove or refute the statements that "fandom is mostly heterosexual females", or "most of fandom identifies as queer" (both of which are common statements at the moment).calicokat: (no subj[...]



Chromatic Casting: Linkspam #3

Wed, 03 Feb 2010 01:07:48 GMT

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Warnings policy: going forward

Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:02:41 GMT

Posted by: linkspam_modWe really appreciate all the feedback that you've offered on the warnings issue, both positive and negative. It's good to hear when we get things right and it helps us even more when we get suggestions as to how we can do better.One important point that the discussion seems to reinforce is the idea that offering warnings is an inherently subjective enterprise. A post that is viewed by one person as enlightening and important can be viewed by another as marginalizing and hateful. Subjectivity comes not just from the commenter(s) but from the fact that people will inevitably respond to texts in different ways. Even warnings themselves can be read in different ways: as commentary, as reading tools, as educational tools, as activism, as value judgment, as a means of bringing problematic content to light. And, yes, also as criticism, attack, or proof of undesired bias. In all of this discussion, the mod team has attempted to pay particular attention to those who find warnings a necessary tool for reading and participating in anti-oppression discussions.In general the message we've taken away from your comments is that warnings are useful for many (if not all) people for a whole host of reasons, even given their inherent subjectivity. It seems that they would be more helpful if we could improve their specificity and come up with a set of guidelines that would improve both consistency and transparency. (Particularly when it comes to tricky intersectional and intragroup issues.) Ideally we would like our warnings to function as a means of illuminating and improving the discussion rather than shutting it down.So... we as the linkspam_mod team will now be going away and trying to put together a coherent set of guidelines on warnings. This may take some time, but hopefully not too long. Naturally the guidelines will be for your use as well as ours, and once we've drawn them up we will present them in linkspam so that we can hear your thoughts.If you have further feedback right now we're still eager to hear it. You can comment on this post, the previous one, or get in touch with us by PM. (As per usual, comments are screened by default but will be unscreened unless they are derailing, abusive or off-topic. If you want your comment to stay screened, please say so.)One final note: thank you to everyone who expressed concern about burn-out on the part of the mods! For the time being we feel that we have our workload under control, but we'll certainly be looking at our warning policy with an eye towards keeping it that way. comments[...]



Request for feedback: warning policy

Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:38:59 GMT

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Several areas of concern regarding the issue of warnings have led to this post.

One: The process of reading lengthy threads in multiple intersectional discussions has proven to be complicated and exhausting. Because of the inherent subjectivity of warnings, deciding when to apply them is a difficult and lengthy process for the linkspam mods. We realize that offering full and ideal warnings may be a task beyond our current capacities and therefore wonder whether it would be preferable to cease warning altogether if our current warnings system proves to be unacceptable.

Two: We have received several comments requesting us to rethink our warnings policy/practices. Requests for ending the practice exist alongside requests to expand the range of things we warn for.

We understand our warnings have been inconsistent, and we have been discussing that, as well as the nature of what to warn for. Since no single Linkspam post is the work of one person (in most cases, three-five people participate), a certain inconsistency may be inevitable.

Our philosophy is that we are not aiming for objectivity. We know we will fail which is why we welcome feedback. As a result of the recent feedback we have received, we are opening up this thread to solicit reader commentary on the issue of warnings.

1. Comment settings will allow anonymous comments.
2. All comments are screened
3. Comments will be unscreened as long as they are not derailing, abusive or off-topic (unless poster requests the comment remain screened).

We would especially appreciate feedback on the following, but of course you are free to respond on any issue.

1. Should Linkspam continue warnings?
2. What kind of warnings are most helpful? Least helpful?
3. If you believe we should offer warnings, how important are they for you?


ETA: When we say we're not objective, we don't mean we allow our personal dislike of a poster to cloud our judgement. In fact, we (as a matter of policy) recuse ourselves from warning when we've a personal history with the poster, or when our personal opinion of zie has become too entangled for us to be neutral. What we mean is that we will always try to be on the side of anti-oppression, and that we try to see issues under that light before any others. Us not being objective is to be taken in context of the usual emphasis on objectivity for journalists, and criticisms we have received pointing out that warning was 'editorialising'.' /ETA

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