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Comments on A Theory of Ice: On Violence (Part 1- Ambivalence/Education)





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If we're on the subject of books on hockey violenc...

2007-01-27T22:04:00.000-05:00

If we're on the subject of books on hockey violence, When the Lights Went Out by Gare Joyce is also pretty good. While not all bench-clearing brawls are quite like the one in Piestany, which I don't think even the participants really quite understood, it certainly shone a harsh light on my own love of hockey violence, and has definitely caused me to pause to think about it somewhat.



olivier- your's is an important point, but i feel...

2007-01-27T16:49:00.000-05:00

olivier- your's is an important point, but i feel like it's distinct from the question of violence, since violence in hockey has a somewhat negotiable relationship with the rules. the rules of hockey explicitly sanction certain sorts of violence, while restricting others in various ways, but even so, most 'illegal' hockey violence is actually a trade-off wherein a player essentially buys the



Julian: That list of hockey books, post it here wh...

2007-01-27T14:48:00.000-05:00

Julian: That list of hockey books, post it here when you feel like it...

E: I'd just like to insist on what may not have appeared as my main point even tough it is: in hockey, delinquency, that is the ability to transgress the rules (whatever those rules may be) is a highly valuable skill, and the ability of some teams to correctly assess such skill is a true advantage. Pat Quinn's



yeah, I know I said I'd make a list for you, but I...

2007-01-27T04:39:00.000-05:00

yeah, I know I said I'd make a list for you, but I was gonna do something about my "top five hockey books", but not having them with me makes it alot more difficult to accomplish.

And you needn't worry about any replication of ideas, you've got an interesting vantage point and you write really well, so don't let anything keep you from continuing.



olivier- you're right, i haven't really addressed ...

2007-01-27T01:17:00.000-05:00

olivier- you're right, i haven't really addressed the issue of rules in any substantive way yet, either in terms of their relationship to violence or to various competing notions of fairness. hopefully i'll get there in future...

f.- i get your point, but i find it a bit reductionist. i've had some experience of other sports in my life and i feel reasonably confident in saying that



I really need to learn to edit before I post... A...

2007-01-27T00:19:00.000-05:00

I really need to learn to edit before I post...

Another history bit : The very first hockey players (James Crighton was the first guy who actually wrote down rules and set up the first real organized game) were primarily rugby players, and they borrowed some of the rules of rugby for hockey.
Hockey in Russia meanwhile, evolved from a game called Bandy (essentially field hockey




2007-01-27T00:05:00.000-05:00

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I guess another relevant question is, where did it...

2007-01-26T20:01:00.000-05:00

I guess another relevant question is, where did it come from? How did we evolve from shinny to this showcase that is equal parts brutality and beauty? I've heard it said that at some point, people started playing it like lacrosse, but I'm curious how, when, and why.

As for the subsegments of the pro-fighting faction, I'm of a mind that brawls are occasionally entertaining but



Lockerboxing, or whatever they want to call it, ma...

2007-01-25T02:11:00.000-05:00

Lockerboxing, or whatever they want to call it, may look like it has something to do with hockey fights when you only look at it in hockey. Step outside of it and see some form of it in every single sport young boys play, you realize it has zero to do with hockey or hockey fights or hockey violence. I don't want to use a phrase like "boys will be boys", but it's partially true. That and every



A real quick history bite E : The "play through th...

2007-01-24T16:29:00.000-05:00

A real quick history bite E : The "play through the pain" mentality in hockey probably comes from the fact that the early incarnation of the game didn't allow for substitutions for whatever reason, so players were encouraged to stay on the ice just ensure their team didn't play a man down.



Interesting point. Off the top of my head, two not...

2007-01-24T11:32:00.000-05:00

Interesting point. Off the top of my head, two notes:

-There is a strategic dimension to hockey violence that just cannot be blended in with the rest, that oversee the rest (protecting, agressing, etc...). Good teams are good because they run up the goalie, clog the neutral zone or do whatever that is that the current application of hockey rules allow them to do. It is true for teams,