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By: joser

Sat, 13 Mar 2010 23:36:47 +0000

Then again, if 42 fans understand how good Kurt Suzuki is, how underrated can he be?
I don't know, I think it's possible to find 42 fans with a clue, even in Oakland.



By: joser

Sat, 13 Mar 2010 23:35:49 +0000

I know it's hard to believe sometimes, but the people who follow Fantasy are not the entirety of the baseball universe.



By: joser

Sat, 13 Mar 2010 23:35:02 +0000

Because "ratedness" has nothing at all to do with stats, but with general perceptions and notoriety? Ask the average fan for, say, any NL East team to list all the major league catchers who were "average" or better -- how many of them would list Suzuki on the first try? Or at all?



By: joser

Sat, 13 Mar 2010 23:31:05 +0000

If only Alan Trammel had played for the Royals, this article would've stayed on topic.



By: JayCee

Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:37:53 +0000

At one point, fairly recently, Suzuki's ADP was roughly the same as Miguel Montero's. I'd have a hard time calling Suzuki "underrated" in that context.



By: Joe R

Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:04:20 +0000

Suzuki: .274/.313/.421 League average C: .254/.321/.396 But throw Suzuki into a neutral park, and his #'s (according to b-r) are .282/.323/.432. OPS+ relative to catchers of 110. Not to mention durability, as he led all MLB Full time catchers in plate appearances. So slightly above average bat + above average defense for the position = good player.



By: Elephants in Oakland

Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:31:31 +0000

Hard to call a player who is less than league average in OPS and sports a .313 OBP as 'underrated'. Regardless of stellar defense a catcher still has to hit. The fact is Suzuki is somewhere in the middle of the pack of starting catchers in MLB. That's average. When you're average...how can you be 'underrated'?



By: Tom B

Mon, 01 Feb 2010 14:49:45 +0000

WAR is not a fix-all, there are lots of shortcomings in both of those players careers (career 113 combined OPS+ for the 2 of them, color me uninmpressed) and a lack of hardware(trammel finished 2nd in MVP once, Whitaker only even GOT votes once). Baseball Reference has HoF indicators on every page, i'd go check those out to better understand why they get no hall support.



By: Choo

Mon, 01 Feb 2010 08:46:17 +0000

I've been a Kurt Suzuki fan since his Cal State days, but my favorite Suzuki moment came last season. He and Jason Giambi converged on a routine popup near the first base dugout. Suzuki scooted into position and was calling off Giambi, who countered by turning around once or twice before flopping to the ground like a walrus in front of Suzuki. The ball may have bounced off the bill of Giambi's cap, or maybe it was his wristband. Giambi was in a heap so I don't remember. What I do remember is when Suzuki reached down and appeared to offer Giambi a hand, Giambi reached out and grabbed a handful of air - Suzuki had picked up the ball instead and stood over Giambi, giving him the sort of look reserved for that once in a lifetime ocassion when you encounter a homeless man wallowing around in his own feces.



By: ToddM

Sun, 31 Jan 2010 07:19:58 +0000

To wit, Craig Biggio is widely regarded as a first-ballot HOF. His defense was generally good but not remarkable (4 GG's though). His career OPS+ was 111 in 12,503 plate appearances. Lou Whitaker wassn't a spectacular defender, either, but he won 3 GG's of his own. Although he only had 9967 plate appearances (a full 20% less than Biggio), his carrer OPS+ was 116. I don't claim Whitaker, as a candidate, is at Biggio's level, and I know Biggio stole a lot more bases and certainly racked up greater counting stats (including the magic 3000 hits), but given these similarities, how can anyone claim Biggio is a first ballot guy and Whitaker doesn't belong at all?