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By: Adam Ford

Sun, 26 Jul 2009 03:34:32 +0000

i quite love the whole tags/categories thing. i read a lot of comic commentary blogs and the playful way those people go about categorising things may not be the kind of thing an archivist would smile upon, but it adds another metalevel to the blogging experience. For example, the category "Batman throwing car batteries at guys" or "People should never ever have to see something like this" or "nobody's reading on the weekend anyway" - fun.

By: Stu

Sun, 26 Jul 2009 03:03:12 +0000

Re: categorisation. On my own blog I've kind of feel I've tied myself in knots by choosing to make categories like 'prose poems', 'after' for poems written after another poet, 'meditation' for poems relating to that... Then I start asking myself questions like, 'Is this a prose poem? Why or why not?' 'Can it be a prose poem if it's unpunctuated?' 'Who cares?' 'Does all my poetry relate to meditation in some way?' 'Are more of my poems written 'after' than I'd care to admit?' 'What's that about, anyway?', etc. So in a way the categories have become something of an ongoing joke I have with myself. Kudos to those who are able to resist categorisation. ;)

By: troylloyd the platenpounder

Fri, 24 Jul 2009 08:19:29 +0000

hey derek, you see? now i know you. i know you. i now know something of you, although i came across yr blog in the past & link'd it to my own blog, something i'm a hellhound reddress for, the Cramps & i don't know much about art but i know what i like 'n all that jazz. yes, i am an obsessive commenter, i list "comment boxes" as an interest in my blogger profile, for some reason i prefer the blogger platform, perhaps because it's the first interface i interfaced with? regardless of my wicked gibberish, i'm prompted to reply & simply say : thank you. this triumvate (mspsll?) has been a great read & given me notions for intro-speculations about my own activities (goals?) as a blogger. i could not call myself a poet until i became "baptised" via blogger. now i can call myself a poet w/ no qualms whatsoever, if anyone dare question my claim i simply direct them to my fuck'd up blog to analyze what-the-fuck-ever for themselves. many good points made here via yr writing, & many points which escape, as they always do, because the past is the past & pens & paper are pens & paper, waitaminnit, update to update, this just in: i'm reading this due to clicking a link on Ron Silliman's blog, regardless of any aesthetic arguments one has w/ Silliman, one must acknowledge the bald-faced fact that in essence, po-blogging owes somewhat of a certain alms to ye old Mr. Silliman, & yes, the man still got chops, fersure, able to rile up the most featherless of birds into a caw-cawing of egg ruptures. on my blog, i took up the odd strategy of making my poetry exist solely in the commentstream, for the most part, all my poems exist within the commentbox, thereby on level ground w/ the reader, altho, i must say, i never get much comment at all about my textual poetry, the images exist on "the main layer", the top, if you will, it takes a rather determined reader to become more acquainted w/ my textpo, tho, strangely, i have accumulated a small band of readers, the fact of which gives me a sublime pleasure, for all the aspects of my upbringing etc soforth, that a reader would actually read my shit is somewhat flattering in the sense that, hey, i might actually be some sort of poet, or an artist, or simply an atrocity exhibition? how did i get so far on in depth about me me me ? ! ? ! the ego feeds to bleeding reeds, er, read that is, ahem, corrected, i now stand to say thusly: i am an american from the southeast, being Georgis precisely, meaning i am the product of a very shitty & indifferent public education system, hence, i dropp'd out of skool in the 10th grade. now, who would suppose i posses such knowledge as i do? i have garnered myself quite an education, & i'm so autodidactic that i misprononounce autodidact. i'm not bragging mind you, the centrsl thrust of my self-education has been of foremost: 91.1 WREK Georgia Tech Uni radio station, which open'd my 3rd ear & enabled passage into otherculture, a v. important thing, as most French theorists took note of. in continuining one's education, the tools available today offer a wide spectrum of possibilities -- i was always distraught that the things i was learning about, the things i was really into, ie CoBrA or the letters of Ezra Pound, were never really able to be hashed out properly b/c i was lacking a peer-to-peer interface with which to bounce my interpretations off of & learn from as well...blogging has provided that quite well, tho, as you stated, most comments on my blog fall into the "cheers!" or "nice work" category, which makes me relish the dissenting voice -- i was once engaged quite viscerally w/ a dissenting voice & oddly, thru those battles, we became very close "internet friends", she even help'd me gain some critical exposure i would have not otherwise gain'd b[...]

By: typingspace

Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:57:23 +0000

hi stu, yeah these posts are all cpaitalised & stuff, mainly because i wrote it in word for delivery at the asal conference. so it's properly set out, referenced etc. generally i find it easier to write less formally & so do. the uncategorisation results mainly from my laziness. perhaps it would be useful to categorise - i know this is something useful blogging offers, but i didn't even touch on it in my article. i used to categorise but i found it was either 'poetry' or 'non-categorised', so i think my readers can get what i'm doing pretty quickly...

By: Stu

Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:29:50 +0000

I've enjoyed reading these 3 posts. They've helped me rethink aspects of my own blog and poetry blogging in general. Fieled's and Eldon's blogs make interesting case studies, as does your own (Motion on Motion - sounds like a worthy title for a treatise...) I find it interesting that you've opted to use capitals after full stops in these posts, and in some other posts on your blog, but for comments, more 'off-the-cuff' posts and 'the poems', it's lowercase all the way. I have a feeling you may've posted about this at some point? Another thing I like is your resistance to categorisation. Most (all?) of your posts seem to be labelled 'uncategorised'. When I read a new post on here, at first I often wonder, 'Is this a poem? A personal note? A plug?' Delusional ramblings may have crossed my mind, but then I enjoy delusional ramblings, as a rule.

By: typingspace

Wed, 22 Jul 2009 04:48:39 +0000

hi adam. blogs pretty much were my introduction to conversations about poetry - living in regional nsw i found there was basically none to be had otherwise, outside of the occasional uni tutorial. i remember nathan saying to me when he came here for a residency 'so, both regionally based poets, with a few kids hey!' i guess there are a few of us out there, never able to easily get to all the events the internet now lets us know about so easily... blogs are a great way of making those connections. i've met some really cool people that way. & yeah, i remember when i first realised that when you comment on someone's blog, someone you might have been reading for a while, lurking or whatnot, voila, instantly you've got a hit back on your site. you could spend all your time making similar shallow stabs at interacting, just trying to drive up your readership... but again, as mentioned in my paper, if the content on your site is uninteresting no-one will return. you've gotta get your work out there, but not be overly ruthless about the self-promotion, if that makes any sense. i know this american guy, a poet, who went out and befriended everyone on my facebook friends list, in some weird attempt to get his average poetry noticed...

By: Adam Ford

Wed, 22 Jul 2009 04:24:36 +0000

well thanks for this, derek. much to chew on. i think you - and all your commenters - have made a significant impact on the way i will approach my blog in future. in a way i like, i mean. the bit about commenting to be noticed strikes a chord. i do try to be more active and interactive with the poblogs that i read, to generate a bit more conversation. because - have you noticed this? - i find that poets rarely talk to each other about poetry. i'm out of the loop physically these days, all the way in country vic, so online is the best way to keep in touch with most of my poetic compatriots - that's a factor too. but at the same time as trying to have a convo for convo's sake, i am aware that i'm doing it in a public arena, and that there may be links back to my own blog as a possible reward. so it's a bit conflicting - am i doing it for notice? or because i have something to say? hopefully more of the latter than the former. but yeah, thanks for this. good stuff.

By: typingspace

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 01:42:19 +0000

yes! 'The poet seems to be doing...', 'The poet has only given us...' etc. but i also use 'I think...', 'You get the feeling...', and the dreaded 'We can all see...'. i'm even considering using the phrase we were given as 1st year students, in an example of how not to write essays: 'Any fool can see...' it's fantastic fun while also making me feel very uncertain about my position. but then a position of certainty would undermine my method. therefore i avoid it. any fool would do the same.

By: keri glastonbury

Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:49:48 +0000

Ah, Motion on Motion... it's creating some strange critical positions the self as self critic in the exegesis. Do you refer to yourself as 'the poet'?

By: typingspace

Sun, 19 Jul 2009 04:58:16 +0000

hi keri. thanks for reading. i'd love to read your paper too if you want to send it my way. i really need to make my friend aware of the positive reception his comment has received. on the day at asal i think it was the biggest laugh i've ever got, reading academic work that is (not that one necessarily aims for that...) he lives in leeton. i have no doubt he will now consider himself a potential academic... i've enjoyed writing about blogging but i also feel the urge to be a bit less analytical with my prose. back to the thesis! i mean, i just wrote these lines, while writing about my own creative section: 'And then the final moment lacks poignancy all together; the poet reverts to giving a quick summation – it seems the final band, Thirsty Merc, weren’t as good as Something for Kate, whatever that means. But that’s poignant. Songs mean so much while remaining stubbornly distant, like their erstwhile creators. Do we need poems to tell us this? Yes.' Where else could you write something like that but in your own dissertation on yourself? (btw, is your secret blog still alive? you should out it.)