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Updated: 2008-06-28T11:45:28Z

 



mike, what grimmy and especially texas blueblood have done is disgusting, to say the least. there is absolutely no justification...

2008-06-28T11:45:28Z

mike, what grimmy and especially texas blueblood have done is disgusting, to say the least. there is absolutely no justification...

mike, what grimmy and especially texas blueblood have done is disgusting, to say the least.
there is absolutely no justification for what they have written here. putting people into concentration camps like texas blueblood suggested or calling others parasites, like grimmy did, is outright fascist. those things can't be tolerated regardless of whom they supposedly support.
your advise to stop being self-rightious should've therefore been directed towards grimmy and texas blueblood and not somebody else.




@ texas blueblood "I don't think the Europeans realize exactly what they've gotten themselves into. They have Obama fan site...

2008-06-24T11:39:08Z

@ texas blueblood "I don't think the Europeans realize exactly what they've gotten themselves into. They have Obama fan site...

@ texas blueblood

"I don't think the Europeans realize exactly what they've gotten themselves into. They have Obama fan site after Obama fan site not realizing that Obama intends to shut the door on the free ride they've been receiving for the past 63 years."

well, it works both ways. the rest of the world would benefit if obama manages to reduce the us budget deficit. in 2005 the europeans, the japanese and especially the chinese were subsidizing the us economy by appr. 600 billion us-$. currently the us gets a free ride (at least as long as the rest of the world is keen on keeping the dollar relatively stable). many people hope that by reducing the us budget deficit the need to for the europeans and asians to subsidize the us economy would decrease.




ah, typo the 8 percent per capita increase was between 1990 and 2004, not since 2004. and another one. it...

2008-01-25T02:34:54Z

ah, typo the 8 percent per capita increase was between 1990 and 2004, not since 2004. and another one. it...

ah, typo
the 8 percent per capita increase was between 1990 and 2004, not since 2004.

and another one. it should have read "demanding from germany a 21% decrease...".




@ george that no pasaran article screwed up the statistics, so it's quite useless. use the stats from the us...

2008-01-25T02:34:55Z

@ george that no pasaran article screwed up the statistics, so it's quite useless. use the stats from the us...

@ george
that no pasaran article screwed up the statistics, so it's quite useless. use the stats from the us energy department instead.
as far as the kyoto reduction targets are concerned: germany and all the other eu15 countries had to reduce their emissions by 8 percent on average. an inner-european agreement distributed the reductions according to the economic maturity of each member state (i already told you that) demanding from a decrease of 21% from 1990 levels. what happens between 2004 and 2007 or between 1997 and 2004 isn't really important, the co2 emissions simply have to be cut back by 21 percent between 1990 and 2012.
i really can't understand what you're aiming at. i already told you that germany, since germany only managed to cut back emissions by 17 percent between 1990 and 2004, still has much to do and will most likely not be able to meet it's eu emission target. the same can be said about the eu (only minus 2.4% between 1990 and 2004), as i already mentioned above.
my point however is, stop lecturing others while "your" own country is far, far away from even keeping co2 emissions at the same level (even the per capita emissions in the us grew by nearly 8 percent since 2004).
and yes, diesel engines produce co2. who denied that? they just produce less co2 if compared with gasoline engines. however, diesel has other disadvanteges, e.g. soot (you already mentioned that). those problems occur mostly local (primarily a problem for areas with a huge amount of traffic).

@ gringotex
the german car manufacturers and the german car lobby (mostly politicians from the spd, the cdu and the fdp) are constantly complaining. this is unfair, that is unfair, the obligatory airbags aren't good for the competitiveness of german cars, yadda, yadda. we've been hearing this for decades.
i don't think these folks will ever change. the important thing is that they don't get through with it.




@ icarus differences? population density doesn't really matter as tropby already pointed out (although the underdeveloped public transport system -...

2008-01-25T02:34:23Z

@ icarus differences? population density doesn't really matter as tropby already pointed out (although the underdeveloped public transport system -...

@ icarus
differences?
population density doesn't really matter as tropby already pointed out (although the underdeveloped public transport system - a prime example would be la - is certainly a problem).
it isn't climatic differences either. a country like israel with a pretty warm climate has lower per capita emissions than the us and scandinavian countries like sweden or iceland have even lower per capita co2 emissions (only a third of the us per capita emissions).
the economy? if you take a closer look at the gdp/co2 ratio ($/metric tons of co2) you'll see that a country like germany generates 3393 $ per ton of co2 while the us only generates 1936 $ with the same ammount of co2 emissions.




@ george the eu reduction target was -8% on average. there was an inner-european agreement to reduce co2 emissions according...

2008-01-25T02:35:32Z

@ george the eu reduction target was -8% on average. there was an inner-european agreement to reduce co2 emissions according...

@ george

the eu reduction target was -8% on average. there was an inner-european agreement to reduce co2 emissions according to the "maturity" of the individual countries. this allowed a relatively poor country like spain to surpass the 1990 level by 15 percent, while countries like germany and the uk had relatively strict emission targets -21%, resp. 12.5% by 2012. the uk already reached their goal of reducing co2 emissions (reduction of 14%), while germany only managed to cut their emissions by roughly 17% (still 4% missing). it's estimated that at least 50% of the german co2 reductions were caused by the shutdown of east-german brown-coal power plants. so it seems germany will not quite meet the inner-european emission targets (the eu overall won't either - a decrease of only 2.4% in 2004).

"Yet the U.S. has decreased its carbon use 66% more than Germany, a rich industrial nation."
sorry, but that's wrong. co2 emissions in germany declined by 17 percent while the us emissions grew by 16%.

"When is Germany going to make real sacrifices? When will there be a speed limit on the Autobahns?"
that won't be a real sacrifice, at least not a very effective one. but since you asked for it, the german left has been saying this for years (mainly because a speed limit will reduce the number of accidents and will save at least a few lives).

"Why do 25% of automobiles in Germany run on diesel fuel, which not only leaves Co2, but pollutes the air with soot."
diesel fuelled cars produce less co2 than gasoline cars. the german car-manufacturers totally screwed up. their main focus was on diesel and fuel cells, while the japanese better gaged the demand of the us market and focused on hybrids.




@ pamela i'm not willing to tolerate their goal - "To defeat scientific materialism and its destructive moral, cultural, and...

2008-01-25T01:57:22Z

@ pamela i'm not willing to tolerate their goal - "To defeat scientific materialism and its destructive moral, cultural, and...

@ pamela

i'm not willing to tolerate their goal
- "To defeat scientific materialism and its destructive moral, cultural, and political legacies",
- "To replace materialistic explanations with the theistic understanding that nature and human beings are created by God"

the goals of their 20 year plan are:
- "To see intelligent design theory as the dominant perspective in science"
- "To see design theory application in specific fields, including molecular biology, biochemistry, paleontology, physics and cosmology in the natural sciences, psychology, ethics, politics, theology and philosophy in the humanities; to see its innuence in the fine arts."
- "To see design theory permeate our religious, cultural, moral and political life."

they see it as a success that "Legal reform movements base legislative proposals on design theory" and that at two universities intelligent design became the dominant view.
you see, it's not about dialogue or "sitting at a table", it's about dominating the scientific and political debate and hence it's about the supremacy of the design theory in all aspects of society.

a debate beween creationists and scientists doesn't make much sense. intelligent design is unscientific, it's therefore quite worthless, at least in and for the natural sciences.

do i think that it's likely the usa or germany or sweden might become theocracies, you may ask.
well, simple answer, NO. neither germany, the us or any other western country will become a theocracy.


@ amiexpat
add to your list the fact that in gießen, in the state of hesse, two public schools teach intelligent design in biology class.
the us is, compared to germany concerning the seperation of church and state, definitivly a much more secular country. i bet my a** that this wasn't mentioned in the documentary (well, it's been made in the us and primarily for an american audience, so what's the point of dealing with germany).
i think it's ridiculous if germans criticize christian fundamentalism and a possible destruction of the separation of church and state in the us, while at the same time ignoring the fact that said separation is much more distinctive in the us.
btw. i don't really have a problem with religious education in public schools. if scientific and religious education are clearly separated and these things don't get mixed up there isn't much of a problem, at least for me. same with religious politicians. as long as laws aren't based on the bible or the quran, those folks can do or believe in whatever they want, i just don't want to live in a sharia-state. and that's indeed something i want to "impose" on you, pamela.




@ gringotex "Perhaps, but the left in Europe- overwhelmingly secular- does pretty well at anti-Semitism without any assistance from devout...

2008-01-25T01:57:30Z

@ gringotex "Perhaps, but the left in Europe- overwhelmingly secular- does pretty well at anti-Semitism without any assistance from devout...

@ gringotex
"Perhaps, but the left in Europe- overwhelmingly secular- does pretty well at anti-Semitism without any assistance from devout Poles. It was not a devout Pole who described Israel as a “shitty little country” but a French Ambassador."
and especially this (left-wing-antisemitism that is) is extremely annoying. these people should know better. anyone expects someone from the far right to be an antisemite, and anyone knows that the revanchist german "patriot" doesn't like jews because he/she believes that THE jews are all trying to take advantage of what happened in and was caused by germany between 1933 and 1945.
"In the US, while 50 years ago a Christian fundamentalist was more likely to be anti-Semitic than someone of the secular left, today someone of the secular left is more likely to be anti-Semitic than is a Christian fundamentalist."
while antisemitism in the us is mostly limited to the far right and the far left, the situation in europe is quite different. in germany f.e. antisemitism is something that can be found in all political groups - conservatives (hohmann), free democrats (möllemann, the berlin-incident,...), among social-democrats, the linkspartei and the greens. a common misconception of many american conservatives is(hopefully i'm not sounding too assumptive), that their german counterparts, the christian-democrats, are less antisemitic than, say, someone from the spd or the greens. antisemitism is very popular among german cdu-members, especially if they're just some low-ranking party member.

@ pamela
"What the hell are you talking about? Because some people view the process of evolution thru a religious prism, we're at risk of a theocracy?

I can't even parse that logically..........."
no, that wasn't what i was talking about. they can believe in whatever they want. i don't care.
however, trying to impose their personal believes on others isn't something i'm willing to tolerate. i'm talking about the infamous "wedge-strategy" of discovery institute. thankfully the overwhelming majority rejects these mix-ups of science/politics and religion. any attempts to weaken the seperation of church and state/science should imo be met with suspicion.
How about because some people view politics thru the prism of their religion and are willing to kill anyone and everything to achieve it, we're at risk of sharia?
i already mentioned that i think islamic fundamentalism is a threat, maybe i didn't quite make myself clear enough. i said earlier that "while the threat christian fundamentalism poses can't in any way be compared with militant islamic fundamentalism,...". to clarify that: any attempts to compare people who want genesis to be taught in biology with islamic extremists murdering people because of allah, or whatever they're referring to to justify their crimes, are completely idiotic.




@ gringotex "Because of immigration, the US has a greater proportion of the population for whom religion is important than...

2008-01-25T01:57:41Z

@ gringotex "Because of immigration, the US has a greater proportion of the population for whom religion is important than...

@ gringotex

"Because of immigration, the US has a greater proportion of the population for whom religion is important than Europe does. Similarly, Europe has a greater proportion of the population who are indifferent to religion than the US does. Many of those for whom religion was important, left Europe for America."
broadly speaking, this may be true, but it ignores that europe, as well as the us, isn't a monolithic bloc. especially in the southern european countries, ireland and poland many people are still very religious (in poland this is often mixed with an extremely disturbing amount of "old-school"-antisemitism), while many people in scandinavia, the netherlands, germany and france don't care about religion. in the latter mentioned countries the growing number of atheists and agnostics is a recent phenomenon (since the 60's, i would guess).
since you mentioned hitler: imo a part of the secularization, especially in postfascist germany, can be attributed to the fact that many catholics and especially the german protestants (protestant reich church) were deeply involved in nazi crimes.

i, personally, don't have any problems with religious people. i do, however, have a problem with religious fundamentalism. while the threat christian fundamentalism poses can't in any way be compared with militant islamic fundamentalism, recent trends in christian fundamentalism are quite troubling. i support every individuals right to think or believe anything he wants to. however, i'm not willing to tolerate things like this (http://www.seattleweekly.com/2006-02-01/news/the-wedge.php#page1). enforcing one's religious believes onto society and trying to establish a theocracy is something that should be prevented.




@ scout I'll try very hard not to, Lars, but to be fair, you started it by suggesting that the...

2008-01-25T01:39:30Z

@ scout I'll try very hard not to, Lars, but to be fair, you started it by suggesting that the...

@ scout

I'll try very hard not to, Lars, but to be fair, you started it by suggesting that the ignorance displayed in the video was owing to religious beliefs.
as i said, don't take my first response too seriously.
on a side note: were did i start mixing up science and religion? i was just joking (i know, i know, "us" germans shouldn't even try ;)) that the audience might be filled with creationists.




@ scout wreck - like "plane wreck" (well, it depends on what you want to read into it, i guess)...

2008-01-25T01:40:25Z

@ scout wreck - like "plane wreck" (well, it depends on what you want to read into it, i guess)...

@ scout

wreck - like "plane wreck" (well, it depends on what you want to read into it, i guess)

and while where at it, ray posted the article nearly 7.5h after it was shown on tv, not before.

just sayin'




@ gringo This is a case of being Ami-centric. not really. while i have a few relatives living in the...

2008-01-25T01:39:22Z

@ gringo This is a case of being Ami-centric. not really. while i have a few relatives living in the...

@ gringo

This is a case of being Ami-centric.
not really. while i have a few relatives living in the us - milwaukee, great neck (ny) and ann arbor - i myself live in germany.
don't take my initial post all too seriously - just venting my displeasure with religious idiocy.
btw: although church attendence is declining in france and most other parts of europe, more french citizens than you might imagine think what the bible says is litterally true. traditional religion is gradually replaced by a much more dogmatic style of believe (well i'm getting more and more ot, sorry).

@ doug

Many more than that think that anthropogenic global warming is correct. Alarming, ain't it?
alarming? not really. scientific evidence confirms that human behavior indeed has an impact on the climate. it's contested how big this impact is. some might say that the human factor is negligable but i don't know anyone thinking that mankind has absolutely no influence whatsoever.
please don't mix up religion and science.




@ scout well, i attended a private catholic school led by nuns, so please just allow me to nag about...

2008-01-25T01:38:53Z

@ scout well, i attended a private catholic school led by nuns, so please just allow me to nag about...

@ scout

well, i attended a private catholic school led by nuns, so please just allow me to nag about a few weirdos. i'm not suggesting that someone who reads the bible is dumb. i said local chapter of "answers in genesis", and didn't mean christianity as a whole (maybe "creation science association" would've been more precise, who knows).
you're aware that many creationists propagate geocentrism, are you? those people preach scientific analphabetism. i don't know if this is an example of wacky christian fundamentalism or just plain stupidity.

nearly one out of three germans think genesis is correct, figure that.
creepy, ain't it?




@ don @WhatDoIKnow, commonsense wrote that 43 minutes were devoted to the conspiracy theories and 2 minutes to the debunking....

2008-01-25T01:37:45Z

@ don @WhatDoIKnow, commonsense wrote that 43 minutes were devoted to the conspiracy theories and 2 minutes to the debunking....

@ don
@WhatDoIKnow, commonsense wrote that 43 minutes were devoted to the conspiracy theories and 2 minutes to the debunking. So you are being completely unfair - just like all of us Americans.

ZDF devoted 95% of the programme to the theories and 5% to the debunking - thus proving the complete fairness and balance of ZDF and by extension, all Germans.

commonsense's impression is wrong.
as i said earlier, it wasn't just 2 or 3 minutes at the end of the documentary.
they, for instance, had someone suggesting that the smoke that shot out of the buildings while they were collapsing was caused by detonating explosive devices. right after that you had people debunking that (dust came from gypsum plasterboards).
watch it, then judge it.




what the ... is this the local french chapter of answers in genesis comprising the audience? holy s***, put down...

2008-01-25T01:38:23Z

what the ... is this the local french chapter of answers in genesis comprising the audience? holy s***, put down...

what the ...
is this the local french chapter of answers in genesis comprising the audience?

holy s***, put down that bible.




eva herman thinks that the "radical" sixties (feminism, et al.) are responsible for the supposed destruction of family values. she...

2008-01-25T01:37:03Z

eva herman thinks that the "radical" sixties (feminism, et al.) are responsible for the supposed destruction of family values. she...

eva herman thinks that the "radical" sixties (feminism, et al.) are responsible for the supposed destruction of family values. she basically said that values like motherhood, children and family that were promoted by the nazis were "scrapped" by the 68-movement.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6986687.stm

this isn't just outrageous, it's also utterly stupid. the nazis saw women as breading machines and they armed children to defend the "fatherland". really nice "family values".




Just proof that George Bush even controls the ZDF, isn't it? huh? as someone earlier on mentioned. many people who...

2008-01-25T02:50:50Z

Just proof that George Bush even controls the ZDF, isn't it? huh? as someone earlier on mentioned. many people who...

Just proof that George Bush even controls the ZDF, isn't it?
huh?

as someone earlier on mentioned. many people who think the us is behind the attacks can't be bothered with facts.
but if there's a possibility to convince at least a few of those wackos, one should try. those people won't tune in if they expect a "pro-american propaganda flic". it's as simple as that.
if you want to reach such an audience, just pretend to present new, controversial, never-seen-before-"facts" and they'll probably watch it.

will they finally get it? well, i don't know. hopefully at least a few will.




@ all after first hearing about that documentary one could have thought: well, just another weird piece of ****. the...

2008-01-25T01:38:51Z

@ all after first hearing about that documentary one could have thought: well, just another weird piece of ****. the...

@ all

after first hearing about that documentary one could have thought: well, just another weird piece of ****. the title and the way it was advertised clearly seemed to be appealing to all those ct nutters.

that was before it was shown.
the documentary presents all kinds of conspiracy theories just to rip them apart one after the other, not just in the final 2 or 3 minutes.
the way it was advertised appeals to that part of the society that believes the us orchestrated the attacks. i think many of them indeed did tune in. and guess what happened - they were confronted with reality. poor folks.

i really don't know what all this fuss is about. i can't see anything wrong with trying to debunk all those conspiracy theories about 9/11. a less controversial way of promoting it wouldn't have made those who are desperately in need of a dose of reality tune in.




george, as i already tried to point out, the velentine's day massacre was pretty much the turning point of capone's...

2008-01-25T01:23:12Z

george, as i already tried to point out, the velentine's day massacre was pretty much the turning point of capone's...

george,

as i already tried to point out, the velentine's day massacre was pretty much the turning point of capone's "career". the families involved in this recent massacre in duisburg are hardly known, even in southern italy. the people involved in it are simply not famous enough to make a good story out of it, let alone a movie.
celebrity factor: zero.




@ george "How can an execution style massacre on German soil be considered old news?" it's old news, 'cause it...

2008-01-25T01:24:35Z

@ george "How can an execution style massacre on German soil be considered old news?" it's old news, 'cause it...

@ george

"How can an execution style massacre on German soil be considered old news?"
it's old news, 'cause it happened several days ago. people are murdered in germany on a daily basis. such an incident, while quite uncommon in this country, happens every now and then - i remember a quite similar murder in front of a chinese restaurant a few years ago. that the italian mafia is operating in germany is known for years and that the recent clan-conflicts in italy are now spreading to germany is not that unusual.

"This execution, albite, presumably by Italians, is of the same scope as the infamous St. Valentine's Day massacre perpetrated by Al Capone 75 years ago."
is it really of the same scope? al capone is probably the world's most notorious gangster. the valentine's day massacre was one of the main reasons the authorities finally dedicated their full attention to capone's criminal activities.
totally wrong analogy, imo.

"The New Orleans flood, which is a story that is more than one year old, is still making front line stories in the Spiegel. The nexus seems to be: if it happened in the U.S., we'll run it until we beat a dead horse to death. But if it is some disaster that happens in Germany, then we'll run it 48 hours."
is it still making the front line?
excuse my ingnorance, but i have never bought a single spiegel issue and i usually don't read their homepage.




@ george well, it's more than two days since this massmurder happened. and as tragic and sad as it may...

2008-01-25T01:23:56Z

@ george well, it's more than two days since this massmurder happened. and as tragic and sad as it may...

@ george

well, it's more than two days since this massmurder happened. and as tragic and sad as it may be, do you really expect to see a frontline article about an incident that happened several days ago. "it's old news", so to speak. these kind of stories mostly survive only if school children are involved (erfurt, littleton,...).
if you're looking for news, better try newspapers (faz, welt, sueddeutsche, zeit, frankf. rundschau, taz,...) instead of magazines like stern, spiegel or focus.




@ goerge m stern articles from aug. 15 http://www.stern.de/politik/panorama/595307.html http://www.stern.de/politik/deutschland/595316.html http://www.stern.de/politik/panorama/595329.html http://www.stern.de/video/595354.html http://www.stern.de/video/595355.html http://www.stern.de/politik/deutschland/595386.html http://www.stern.de/politik/panorama/595391.html stern articles from aug. 16...

2008-01-25T01:23:54Z

@ goerge m stern articles from aug. 15 http://www.stern.de/politik/panorama/595307.html http://www.stern.de/politik/deutschland/595316.html http://www.stern.de/politik/panorama/595329.html http://www.stern.de/video/595354.html http://www.stern.de/video/595355.html http://www.stern.de/politik/deutschland/595386.html http://www.stern.de/politik/panorama/595391.html stern articles from aug. 16...

@ goerge m

stern articles from aug. 15
http://www.stern.de/politik/panorama/595307.html
http://www.stern.de/politik/deutschland/595316.html
http://www.stern.de/politik/panorama/595329.html
http://www.stern.de/video/595354.html
http://www.stern.de/video/595355.html
http://www.stern.de/politik/deutschland/595386.html
http://www.stern.de/politik/panorama/595391.html

stern articles from aug. 16
http://www.stern.de/politik/panorama/595396.html
http://www.stern.de/politik/panorama/595421.html
http://www.stern.de/politik/deutschland/595467.html
http://www.stern.de/video/595469.html

stern articles from aug. 17
http://www.stern.de/politik/panorama/595477.html
http://www.stern.de/politik/panorama/595525.html




@ lc "Is there a different meaning to the word "libertarian" in Europe?" no, i guess not. these groups (the...

2008-01-25T00:39:15Z

@ lc "Is there a different meaning to the word "libertarian" in Europe?" no, i guess not. these groups (the...

@ lc

"Is there a different meaning to the word "libertarian" in Europe?"
no, i guess not.
these groups (the autonomen, that is) don't want a state or a political party to organize things. they also don't want the state to just stay outside the social sphere, they don't want to have a state at all.
to quote from the annual report of the office for the protection of the constitution: At the centre of autonomist thinking is “autonomy” – the idea of a free and independent life within “areas without rulers”. Thus autonomists reject any kind of state or social norms. The fight against authorities and wage labour and their refusal to take part in the “capitalist exploitation process” are characteristic. [...] The autonomist movement is heterogeneous. It consists of rather small, more or less consolidated and independent groupings all over the country. Hence, it lacks a uniform ideological strategy, leaders and hierarchical structures. There are only isolated attempts to take a firm stand. The autonomists’ self-definition is based on anti-capitalist, antifascist and anti-sexist concepts. Diffuse fragments of anarchist and communist ideologies (class struggle, revolution or imperialism) form the basis of their often spontaneous activities. http://www.verfassungsschutz.de/download/en/en_publications/annual_reports/vsbericht2005_engl/vsbericht_2005_engl.pdf p. 136.
like they said, there is no common ideological bond amongst those groups. these groups are different from traditional communist organizations like the maoist or marxist-leninist sects since they, as i said, reject the idea of hierarchical structures which are to be found amongst communist parties.

so, what to make of it?
they are neither anarchists or communists in the conventional sense, and, of course, no libertarians (or capitalist libertarians/anarcho-capitalists to be more precise since there are different variations of libertarianism). instead of using the expression libertarian communism one could also use the word anarcho-communism, although there are differences between those two ideologies. further elaboration would be useful but likely would further complicate things. it's quite difficult to apply the adjectives 'collectivism' or 'individualism' on them. they are neither distinctively or genuinely collectivist nor induvidualistic.




@ wc my main problem was this statement: I admit that in San Francisco fag might be an insult, but...

2008-01-25T00:38:48Z

@ wc my main problem was this statement: I admit that in San Francisco fag might be an insult, but...

@ wc

my main problem was this statement: I admit that in San Francisco fag might be an insult, but those people hijacked the wonderful word "Gay" in the 60's so fag should also not be offensive to anyone anymore.
it is offensive. that gays call themselves gays doesn't mean they can also be called 'fags'.

maybe the part of Germany I live in like comparable to Hickville in the south!!
not only that part. homophobia is to be found in almost every football stadium throughout the world (the us might be an exemption since sporting events there seem to resemble more of a family day out than anything). football/soccer is a male/macho sport. the only professional football player who ever had his 'coming out' committed suicide in 1998. there are exeptions, like the president of fc st. pauli who is openly gay, but in general football is quite homophobic.
interesting read: http://sport.independent.co.uk/football/news/article357363.ece




this isn't hicksville, wc there might still be places in the south where people are called f... (that would translate...

2008-01-25T00:38:28Z

this isn't hicksville, wc there might still be places in the south where people are called f... (that would translate...

this isn't hicksville, wc

there might still be places in the south where people are called f... (that would translate as schwuchtel rather than schwul, btw.).
this, however, doesn't justify using such expressions to denigrate others.
the fact that gays nowadays call themselves gays doesn't mean you should use gay slurs.