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> What am I missing?Not much. I just had the impre...

2007-09-12T09:19:00.000-04:00

> What am I missing?

Not much. I just had the impression Elgg was designed to support social constructionism, like Moodle. Like many of my impressions, it could easily be wrong.



A very interesting read. I totally agree with you-...

2007-09-12T08:59:00.000-04:00

A very interesting read. I totally agree with you-- we can't fix the old we need to create something new.

I have one question though: Why or what prompted you to group Elgg and Moodle together? I don't think Elgg is social constructionist in the least (which I think is a positive, btw). What am I missing?



> complex adaptive systems could be a (part) solut...

2007-09-07T11:00:00.000-04:00

> complex adaptive systems could be a (part) solution to information overload.

I agree. Thanks for the link.



There is a lot of interesting material out there o...

2007-09-07T09:31:00.000-04:00

There is a lot of interesting material out there on complexity, and also on the information overload. They could be linked.

To wit, complex adaptive systems could be a (part) solution to information overload.

"Information, knowledge, communication, and change at local and global level continue to increase in volume, reach, speed and complexity. Some of these changes, particularly the development of global digital media, have crossed a unique event horizon, in which complex adaptive networks can, if judiciously managed, provide a welcome response to these issues, and provide a host of new opportunities, via the self-organising and self-sustaining affordances of complex adaptive networks" (from: Managing Complex Adaptive Networks - CAN's).

The task then is to manage CAN's, or to facilitate CAN's, or to create-and-support CAN's (the precise verb eludes me here - maybe that tells us that its something we havent done before)

(seehttp://learning-affordances.wikispaces.com/CANs)



"There exists very little peer-reviewed scholarshi...

2007-09-07T02:30:00.000-04:00

"There exists very little peer-reviewed scholarship regarding Web 2.0. In fact, many people in the blogosphere are openly contemptuous of theory and scholarship in favor of "the wisdom of crowds," a new and popular, albeit inherently anti-intellectual world-view."

hmmm... so here the original author is lamenting that education and schools are loathe to change, but uses an argument that relies on academic inertia for its base - the apparently unchallengable perfection of formal scholarship.



No shortage of links to research on Web 2.0 and le...

2007-09-05T15:55:00.000-04:00

No shortage of links to research on Web 2.0 and learning in Curt Bonk's latest course at Indiana University.



I can't help but think of the last time I heard G...

2007-09-05T09:55:00.000-04:00

I can't help but think of the last time I heard George Siemens speak and felt the need to go through the recorded audio to write down all the academic references... enough already George... :-)

I'm happy he (Stager) forwarded the argument. I think the impetous to get the research out there is useful. It's spurring me to get a couple of articles finished.

Oh... and I also second Ewan's feelings... thanks for saving us the work! not that I could have done this good a job... but i would have tried.



Thank goodness you went through it - you've saved ...

2007-09-05T03:23:00.000-04:00

Thank goodness you went through it - you've saved me the time. Referring to one 'School 2.0' group or one 'Web 2.0' group just doesn't wash with me. There are so many types of person in there, from the revolutionary to the academic, to the action researcher (me) and the literature reviewer (me again).

I didn't appreciate Gary's insinuation that there are no research hooks on which to hang all this, since, like you, I spend large amounts of time reading it.

It does seem a shame that a few prominent bloggers who make no or little reference to academic research mean that none of us do. At the same time, I don't see their concentration on non-academic elements of new technologies as wrong or out of place. Vive la différence, chacun son truc - the French have plenty of sayings for tolerance and celebration of others' divergent views and takes on life. Maybe Gary could do with some, too...



OK This might be n00by but this is the stuff which...

2007-09-05T00:43:00.000-04:00

OK This might be n00by but this is the stuff which has been brewing through Artichoke's blog and I think also in your conversation here. imho Education systems need to let go of the need to be the ones who have the answers.

I am a fan of Antoni Gaudi's architecture. It is bendy and brilliant, but I love him as a mind for two reasons.

His architectural designs are respectful of the potential for builders to be wonderful minds.
His present day builders are sophisticated many years after his death. He designs with respect for the hands and minds which make the building. For their understanding of physics and materials and for the conversation between the design and the building. It is a design which has a legacy of sophisticated thinking and building.

He did not design the interior because he wanted to allow future generations space to create.

I think this is what we need to understand about social networks and education. People are learning outside of formal systems because in some sense the system thinks that it is a finished work which needs to process people. Social networks are a growing space where people form and invent purposes and communities.

In our use of copyright and in our broadcast based methodologies we disenfranchise future generations.

We each need to design the works we make as the beginnings of spaces for new minds, voices and hands.
Legacy of freedom. Interoperability, working to open standards, designing open architectures, wikis, creative commons by, GPL. I think our generations have forgotten we are passing a cultural baton.