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Ah, I love 'ol Heiny. So brave and bold and so, s...

2007-07-12T16:52:00.000-07:00

Ah, I love 'ol Heiny. So brave and bold and so, so wrong all the time.

Well, not all the time.

I don't know the first thing about programming, but I find what you have to say interesting. The way it seems Gates, et al describe it, programming is rather like art in that the talented ones, the ones with the true inclination and instinct, distinguish themselves early on and grow into their natural talent as a matter of course. You can't teach someone to be a great painter, or a great novelist, or from what it seems a great programmer. Inborn talent has to account for something.

I spent four years in college dreaming of being an English professor, and then another year in graduate school dreaming of not being in school. Now, after four years spent teaching Composition and Intro to Lit. courses, I'm working at a PC/IT company and having a ball. I always loved computers, and I never figured I could get a job working on them. I've also discovered a talent for troubleshooting problems and finding a solution.

So I think the moral here is that you have to find your inborn instincts, because we all have them. Programming seems like one of those things where you take enough courses, you get this and that certification, and instantly people think you're a genius. I know that's how I've always looked at it. Thank you for correcting this outlook!



"And it conversely explains why so many programs a...

2007-04-06T10:01:00.000-07:00

"And it conversely explains why so many programs are so uninspired, too: if you'll never use the feature you're writing, you're not going to imbue it with brilliance, because the brilliance will never occur to you."

that right there is really my entire view of corporate software.

in the past year (after 5 years of making "business" software) i've come to realize that software meant to only serve a bottom line, and not impact people's lives, is emotionally empty and can never be as good as the alternative.

after my mini-epiphany, i've begun looking for jobs in the SF bay area (yahoo, google, etc) rather than houston, where all software revolves around the oil/gas industry.



i'm not so sure i agree with these comments. excel...

2007-04-05T11:54:00.000-07:00

i'm not so sure i agree with these comments. excellence can be learned if the student is willing.

i admit i began life as a properly educated yet poorly performing programmer. i'm a much better coder now. am i the best? no. am i the worst? no.

programming is like any other field - those who approach it humbly and work like hell will see success.

anyone over 35 who claims they were "all done" in four or five years is fooling themselves, as the entire industry of web programming has only evolved over the last decade. everyone has to learn. you can go from being the 99th percentile to the 1st percentile if you stop learning, no matter who you are.



Very nice article. I can't agree more. The differe...

2007-04-05T06:43:00.000-07:00

Very nice article. I can't agree more. The difference between a 97th percentile programmer and a 99.9th percentile programmer is not 2.9%, it's something like 10,000%, and that difference is only magnified when you've got teams of programmers.

Computer Science really doesn't cover programming, and neither would Computer Art. There is no comparable profession. Painting and perhaps writing are both close, but both of those lack the intense technical aspect.

It's as though a painter had to not only know how to paint, but also be an expert chemist in order to really get anywhere.



I originally wrote a comment that became too large...

2007-04-05T04:55:00.000-07:00

I originally wrote a comment that became too large, so I put it into a post on my own blog. The thrust of it is that the "what makes a good programmer" question is too vague, and that a "good programmer" in one context is actually a "bad programmer" in another. The article is linked from my name above should you wish to read it.



its funny , but more i look i feel that many jobs ...

2007-03-05T11:34:00.000-08:00

its funny , but more i look i feel that many jobs dont really exploit computer science (D degree) , all i see is frameworks , n lot of them n people talkin about languages . Dont u think languages are a means to an end ?? .. what exactly defines an awesome programmers .. an algorithmist , a pattern guy .. what , thats d answer m seekin



Great post. BTW, quiting your job sounded very exc...

2007-03-04T09:17:00.000-08:00

Great post. BTW, quiting your job sounded very exciting, I want to quit mine now :)



First, before I forget again, turn your RSS back o...

2007-02-14T02:37:00.000-08:00

First, before I forget again, turn your RSS back on. Them guys who came here after the Shutdown Menu thing are gone. I keep missing the posts.

Now, on the post: I don't know how many of you now see why I insist that there is no Computer Science. Or, if it exists, outside Intel, it is never of use to those who study it. Computer Art is. Where is the science there?

And, of the things that help one become a good developer, which is not learnt the same way we learn, say, how to speak a language? Or a game? I feel we are learning software development/programming/... the wrong way. Explains they way our stuff ends up ...

I like the Heinlein quote.



Well, I guesss 18 out of 21's not bad...no interes...

2007-02-04T17:53:00.000-08:00

Well, I guesss 18 out of 21's not bad...no interest yet in having the con, and not ready to die either wimpering or valiantly. Your guess on the final missing task.



Great quote; sums up things I definitely agree to ...

2007-02-02T14:35:00.000-08:00

Great quote; sums up things I definitely agree to very nicely.