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By: ILoveCapitalism

Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:56:50 +0000

Today's secular liberalism: yes. There was a time when it wasn't so. Remember WW1 - Wilson, WW2 - Roosevelt, up through Kennedy. Also, one could argue that Russian Communism was an example of the average Russian believing (however wrongly) that he was fighting for the ideals of secular liberalism.



By: V the K

Wed, 03 Oct 2007 23:08:18 +0000

Secular Liberalism has major handicaps when it comes to fighting Islamic fascism. First, modern secular liberalism is so invested in moral relativism it doesn't see western civilization as being worth preserving. Second, the fight against Islamic Fascism is going to be multi-generational and, oops, secular progressives forgot to breed another generation. Also, you've got neurotic fear of being called racist, a pervasive "war is icky" pacifism that leads to appeasement, and a general unwillingness to sacrifice. The Islamist believes he is fighting for Allah and the glory of Islam. Is a sceular progressive willing to fight and possibly die so that someone else can get a welfare check?



By: Sean A

Wed, 03 Oct 2007 22:28:35 +0000

Secular liberalism is not now and will never be at war with Islamic Fascism. By definition, one cannot defeat that which one appeases.



By: ILoveCapitalism

Wed, 03 Oct 2007 17:26:03 +0000

(I.e., I don't imagine Iraq is a war for secular liberalism either! I claim, again, that it's a war for civilization in general, against nihilism. "Civilization" understood to include Christianity, Judaism, any other non-nihilistic religion you can think of, secular liberalism and secular conservatism, the latter a.k.a. capitalism and freedom.)



By: ILoveCapitalism

Wed, 03 Oct 2007 17:22:09 +0000

Can't tell where you're going with that, V.



By: V the K

Wed, 03 Oct 2007 16:47:50 +0000

I honestly don't think secular liberalism can ever defeat Islamic fascism. People who live for cradle-to-grave welfare and sexual permissiveness, are rarely willing to give their lives defending them.



By: ILoveCapitalism

Wed, 03 Oct 2007 13:52:17 +0000

P.S. I will certainly allow that Iraq is a war *against* Christianity - by the other side. I will certainly allow that the other side - al Qaeda, and also Iran - are fighting a religious war, that is, a war for a specific religion. We are not.



By: ILoveCapitalism

Wed, 03 Oct 2007 13:45:33 +0000

"Iraq is a war for Christianity" - Evidence, please? And I'm going to impose a qualifier on you: Keep in mind that the statement only communicates a distinguishable meaning if it means "primarily" for Christianity, or "driven by" Christianity. Iraq is a war for civilization, against jihadist nihilism. Civilization encompasses many things, including apple pie, Christianity, atheism, Judaism, and even BMWs, Whole Foods stores and Buddhism. It is easily allowable that Iraq is a war for all those things. If you mean "Iraq is a war for Christianity along with everything else to do with civilization", we already agree and needn't discuss the point.



By: Jeremayakovka

Wed, 03 Oct 2007 09:58:28 +0000

Iraq is a war for Chrisitianity -- and there's nothing shameful or inaccurate about declaring that. A quantifiable measure of institutional Christendom in Iraq is not the measure of victory. But thriving Christianity, rooted in Rome and the historically Protestant lands, has a great stake in the outcome over there. Don't cede any spiritual turf to smug, ignorant opponents.



By: Sean A

Tue, 02 Oct 2007 22:10:27 +0000

85: Thank you, ILoveCapitalism for the link. I was really pissed this morning about that stupid Biden resolution that hypothetically chops up Iraq into regions, and the news stories you are sharing are really cheering me up. The news from Iraq just keeps getting better and better (just like Gen. Petraeus said it would). Since all this good news about Al Qaeda being in its death throes in Iraq is not coming from a report prepared by Petraeus, who are the Dems going to say is betraying them now? The Al Qaeda leader who wrote the "suicide" note? Meanwhile, Biden is probably in the Senate hall telling the press about his victory with the passage of non-binding legislation, and Reid is in his office, angrily scribbling away at that letter, demanding Rush's employer to reprimand their $285 million superstar. Unbelievable.



By: ILoveCapitalism

Tue, 02 Oct 2007 18:25:38 +0000

Slain al Qaeda leader wrote letter of desperation just before his death: click here.









By: Sean A

Tue, 02 Oct 2007 05:08:51 +0000

81: "I’m afraid you’re being overly optimistic. Even the great urban metropolises are not uniformly enlightened. There are, at best, a few islets of civilization lost in a sea of barbarism." Ummmm. Did this comment from Thomas Horsville give anyone else the willies? In a let-them-eat-cake-mein-kampf-stroking-a-persian-cat-legion-of-doom-three-foot-cigarette-holder-and-martini-glass-final-solution and all that sort of way? Uniform enlightenment? Sea of barbarism? I think Thomas IS George Soros.



By: Thomas Horsville

Tue, 02 Oct 2007 01:09:59 +0000

"Afterall, nothing matters between Boston & SF… maybe NYC & Seattle."
I'm afraid you're being overly optimistic. Even the great urban metropolises are not uniformly enlightened. There are, at best, a few islets of civilization lost in a sea of barbarism.



By: Michigan-Matt

Tue, 02 Oct 2007 00:02:38 +0000

ahhh, nice try there T-Horsville. Nawh, fnln's comments are uberNYTimes-ish... meant to write off all those inconvenient moderate Americans who populate middleAmerica and don't subscribe to the farLeft's anti-American agenda... you know, "fly over country". Afterall, nothing matters between Boston & SF... maybe NYC & Seattle. A suggestion: next time you want to run interference for fnln, put on a tinfoil hat and tune in to the LeftCoast's AllThingsLiberallyConsidered... then you'll have matching talking points. But now we're a tad off topic.



By: Synova

Mon, 01 Oct 2007 23:04:22 +0000

Some Christians get that way, too. They can't see the difference between being persecuted for their religion and persecuted for being a jerk. It's human nature. Just like preferring to think the persecution is because he's gay rather than because he's obnoxious and judgmental. Obnoxious Atheists are in every way equal to obnoxious Theists.



By: North Dallas Thirty

Mon, 01 Oct 2007 20:54:32 +0000

Mr. Horsville, it can be easily explained why fnln has a "problem" with people. 1500 years of history prove Christians are just as murderous and violent as any other religious zealots. There is no God. Grow up and get over it already. Religion is a pointless waste of time, yet people still refuse to acknowledge the total and utter lack of evidence of any God whatsoever. I have a question for the evangelical protectors. Have you successfully prayed away the gay yet? I thought not. What must your “friends” think about your sexual activities…and trust me, they think about them. Or, are you closeted Repbulican homosexuals who don’t have sex or perhaps open Republican homosexuals that are asexual? Oh yes, I know, your sex life is not your total being and you’re not living a “homosexual lifestyle.” I would like to know how well putting your little ball of homosexuality away in the toy box works too. What tools! Most of us don’t really care if people take comfort in the false or want to waste their time wailing, crying, praying, ululating, or yelling to a non-existent god or set of gods as long as they keep religion out of government. Well, actually there can be no religious test either, but I am all for the ridicule and open hostility towards religion. Religion certainly has done enough damage over time and I repeat, religion deserves all of the ridicule that can possibly be heaped upon it. Please, by all means, defend your religion, your religious zealot “friends”, and their actions, but don’t expect the rest of us to go along quietly while they actively work to infect everything with their mythological and erroneous beliefs. And if you're wondering, start here and work your way down. Of course, they blame the fact that they're gay for why people don't like them.



By: Thomas Horsville

Mon, 01 Oct 2007 20:13:18 +0000

"That 'fly over country' you're smearing is the home of those 'amber waves of grain' and 'purple mountain majesties' and other points of interest"
I'm afraid you misunderstood what fnln meant. I'm sure he has nothing against wheat fields and granite mountains. As usual, people are the problem. They tend to ruin the landscape.



By: Michigan-Matt

Mon, 01 Oct 2007 18:36:51 +0000

fnln, you contend that you don't besmirch people for where they live but you offer this left-coast nugget at #51: "You could always move to Texas. Then again, you’d be in Texas. The point is, if you don’t want to be around “crazed lefty loonies” then move. Most of the USA is flyover country anyway, so just move just about anywhere else and you’ll be right at home with like-minded righties." Frankly, I like Texas and Texans: they're usually loyal, steadfast, honorable, community-centered, patriotic and willing to serve others before self --heresy to the GayLeft. I'm beginning to appreciate why the sneering GayLeft is so uncomfortable with patriotism, support of the military, mainstream American values... when you can dismiss the Midwest, the Upper Plains, the Ohio River Valley and other gems of America with an LeftCoast slam like "flyover country" and not sense you're smearing most of America... something you say you DONT do out of the right side of your mouth while doing exactly THAT out of the left side of your mouth. That "fly over country" you're smearing is the home of those "amber waves of grain" and "purple mountain majesties" and other points of interest to anyone still COMFORTABLE with America, her promise, our destiny. Just because most of the GayLeft would be happier if America more resembled a socialist European state doesn't mean you have to besmirch 3/4s of America... just stay focused on slamming the FarLeft leadership in the Democrat Party who have failed to give you your utopia.