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By: The Man With No Name

Thu, 20 Sep 2007 01:11:26 +0000

IMO, Henrik brings up a valid point of debate where some people think that film music should support the visuals and others think that film music should be memorable on its own. And then I suppose some people will say that both qualities are important. I can see where Henrik feels that John Williams' music is overpowering the visuals and draws attention to itself. On the Superman DVD commentaries, I recall Richard Donner saying how he thought the Superman fanfare was so powerful because you could imagine the melody singing out the word Superman in your head. BTW, thx to Henrik and TheSnowLeopard for their interpretations of the legend quotation. Both interpretations make sense.



By: Henrik

Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:47:29 +0000

ONE of my favourites of all time. Definitely not no. 1.



By: Henrik

Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:05:44 +0000

Actually one of the reasons I'm not big on Spielberg is the fact that he keeps using John Williams. Even though my favourite score of his (and of all time) is Jurassic Park... I don't know. His music works better as a cd than as a score, you can completely lift the music out of the movie and not feel like you're missing anything. A good score to me works with the images, not beside them. When you write something specific for a scene, you have to work with the visual side of the movie and create a symbiotic piece of music that will elevate the scene, and not necessarily be a great piece on its own, which I think is what John Williams is making. Hummable themes that seem more 'inspired by' the movies than actually a part of them.



By: Jay C.

Tue, 18 Sep 2007 03:31:58 +0000

Because he doesn't like Steven Spielberg and everyone else does.



By: TheSnowLeopard

Tue, 18 Sep 2007 02:29:34 +0000

Henrik's opinion lacks credibility not becuase he isn't a music expert, but because during his tirade against JW he made statements that were patently untrue. Someone had to call him to account. If ever there was a composer whose themes are indelibly linked with the movies they were written for, it is JW. That is what makes them so famous. I don't understand where his hostility to JW comes from, given that his comments about Goldsmith are so restrained in comparison they barely register.



By: The Man With No Name

Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:07:13 +0000

Henrik, Jay has accused me of making outlandish statements, but I'm afraid I'm going to have to side with TheSnowLeopard concerning your comments about John Williams' music. But since I'm not a music expert, I guess my opinion isn't credible as well. So are there any music experts out there that will support the opinion of TheSnowLeopard and myself? Not that John Williams needs defending, but it would be nice to hear an authority explain what makes Williams' music so outstanding. Though, Henrik, you did make me think that it would be a fun exercise to interchange some musical pieces between the three aforementioned movies. I'm imagining the Superman fanfare playing over the scene where Indy outruns a boulder. And Indy's theme playing over Superman's rescue of Lois Lane falling from the helicopter. And the Imperial March playing over the moments before the ark is opened by the Nazis in Raiders. Now I'm thinking about the 60s series Lost in Space theme (that Williams composed) playing over the credits of Star Wars. Oh, that doesn't work.



By: TheSnowLeopard

Sun, 16 Sep 2007 04:08:13 +0000

If you're inferring those two statements are contradictory, you're wrong. They are both true.



By: Henrik

Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:29:16 +0000

"I’m not a music expert" "that is simply not a credible opinion." Whatever man.



By: TheSnowLeopard

Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:13:38 +0000

John Williams writes "fine, serviceable music"?? His music for Star Wars, Indiana Jones & Superman is "interchangeable" ??????? I'm sorry, but that is simply not a credible opinion.



By: Henrik

Sat, 15 Sep 2007 18:43:52 +0000

No fear Darth Nameless, I'm still with you. I just don't have unlimited access to internet and stuff, so sometimes I am late. Still a fan! I think your name is Jerry or Gerry though, because I remember Sean mentioning somebody of that name liking Curse of the Golden Flower. I'm onto you. Why don't you think I like The Final Frontier? Actually I never saw it, I never saw any of the original cast movies. I felt like I would want to watch the series first, and I never got hooked on it enough to dish out the money to get it. I have seen the Next Gen movies though and I actually don't mind them, except for Nemesis (John Logan, I'm giving you cancer with my mind). Insurrection is my favourite, it has the feel of Star Trek way more than the other two. Generations was kind of boring and I never really got into the Kirk death. First Contact is fine I guess, but I didn't think it worked as an action movie (saw it before I got really into the series) and afterwards I didn't feel it really got into the interesting things. It has some moments that I'm just in love with though ("Plenty of letters left in the alphabet"). So ranking them would go: Insurrection First Contact Generations Almost any other movie Nemesis Independence Day is more of a Star Trek movie than Nemesis. Insurrection is an honest attempt to make something that has a point though. Even though it's fucked up by some of the subpar action scenes (awesome effects by Jim Rygiel though) I can still appreciate the sentiment. I don't get why people hate it SO much... That scene where time slows down with the hummingbird and stuff... That's good shit and to use a cliché - it's a new image and that in and of itself is worth some recognition. I think John Williams writes fine, serviceable music, but in no way does it compare to the Hermann scores or even the more modern stuff where Danny Elfman and Newton Howard would be the highlights. The main thing about Williams is that his music seems to be unaffected by the movies. He can write an 8-bar theme that people can whistle, but fucking Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Superman... It's all the same stuff. Completely interchangeable. Compare that to something like what Elfman did with Batman and Spider-Man, movies that are VERY similar, and there's no way you can switch the themes. John Williams just puts a theme on the movie and thats that. Look at Harry Potter. I respect him as a musician, but not so much as a film musician. I'm not really a fan of Jerry Goldsmith, nothing he did ever stood out to me. Good over-the-top action = Starship Troopers. The Children of Men scene was good. Too bad they ruined it by having the characters crack jokes in the middle of it. I think both Bullet-Time and Shaky-Cam and whatever other camera conventions that have trendy names can be used effectively in the right hands. I'm sure Paul Greengrass could do something with Bullet-Time that would be interesting and good as well. Shit directors make shit action, no matter what the technique. Mmm Clockwork Orange. Awesome stunts. I was reminded of that as I was watching Death Proof. Don't forget the assault on Jack Rippers base in Dr. Strangelove though. One of the coolest (and most influential, I mean Steven Spielberg pretty much owes his military honor medal to the sequence) action sequences ever made! When Legend becomes fact, I think it means when people start believing the legend as fact, print the original legend to remind people it was never fact. Make sense? I think it's a smart quote if that's what it means.



By: The Man With No Name

Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:15:57 +0000

I was the straight man? I thought I was supposed to be the wacky quipster. I should have started riffing while Jay was out to the loo, but I thought Jay would edit out my solo moment in the spotlight, so I just sat there sipping my tea and marvelling at Jay's headquarters. Too bad the show wasn't live. BTW, Jay was gone for a very long time. I think he edited the long silence into a short silence. I thought he was going to edit the whole thing out. Who knew he was going to go Andy Kaufmanesque? As for Star Trek V, I realize I spent most of my time excusing the movie's shortcomings rather than praising the movie's accomplishments. There's a small coterie who do appreciate the merits of the film. One small detail that doesn't really elevate the film, but that I find touching and relevant for Kirk's hero mythology within Star Trek is Kirk's statement to his two best friends after falling off the mountain that he knew he wouldn't die then, because he knew he would always die alone. And sure enough, in Generations, Kirk ends up dying without Spock and McCoy around. I agree that we needed to do some research and preparation for that versus segment. Did I not say that, Jay? So don't lay the lameness of the versus segment on my ineptitude, Jay, because you know, brilliance takes time! At least for me it does. Hell, it takes me hours to write these reasoned and coherent comments. As for a podcast discussing what drives us nuts, this is Film Junk! Stay on the topic, Jay! I much prefer to let my fists do the talking. But you can't podcast that. Oh, wait. You did podcast a bathroom break. But I don't think it would be wise to try mining comedy gold too often in that vein. Hey, a double entendre, that was. Boy, I'm sure running off with the finger. (I type with only my index finger.)



By: Jay C.

Fri, 14 Sep 2007 02:03:16 +0000

Bunyip: I've been trying to convince Darth Hapless to do a regular podcast in which the two of us discuss things that drive us nuts. Needless to say, we disagree on MANY things, so it would be some lively discussion. He has yet to commit, but maybe your comment will help give him some motivation. Thanks for listening!