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By: Mike Lester

Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:09:31 +0000

J.G. Moore: I enjoy your boy scout enthusiasm and your comments are well intentioned for this crowd but when you recommend scatological content like Neely's superdeluxe.com, your cred suffers. I'm showing my age but give me a house falling on Buster Keaton anyday.



By: David Reddick

Mon, 09 Jun 2008 14:30:58 +0000

J.G. said(you have great insights, btw, and love your work): "It starts with the still image, but these days you have to get those images moving to be viable in this new media world. " That's exactly what I was saying. I guess all I was voicing was that I love the static, personal quality of comics drawn by one cartoonist in its wonderful form as is. I just hope it doesn't disappear and have to have movement added to it all, because as cool as that can be in some instances, it just loses something if it's done across the board and required. But I also love animation, and I agree with Garey's comment... you're right, if nothing else, we should celebrate that ultimately, there have never been more opportunities for cartoonists than now - it's all a good thing!



By: J.G Moore

Mon, 09 Jun 2008 12:36:04 +0000

Joe, You jest but if you animated Guernica or the mona lisa "the right way" and put it on YouTube you would have a hit and people would be beating a path to your door. Most of the "great" artist (if alive now) would be animating. What would Dali have done with Flash or Maya? Those cats would have been doing animatio bigtime. Dali did do stuff wth Disney. It starts with the still image, but these days you have to get those images moving to be viable in this new media world. You don't have to do "balls out" animation. Brad Neely does alot with still images and posing in his "Professor Brothers" and "Baby Cakes" animations. Checkout www. superdeluxe.com to see his work.



By: KRANKY (JOE RANK)

Mon, 09 Jun 2008 06:50:00 +0000

Hey, while we are at it; why don't we animate "Guernica", or "Mona Lisa", or "Christina's World", or "Saturday, In the Park"? Animation has its forms and cultural place. Disney pioneered. Others added. Perfection? Debatable. There is no replacing the cognitive dynamic of introspection. That exists with still representation, and is lost with the distraction of movement. It is the same process of being able to ponder a passage in a book, or being caught in a stream of fleeting thoughts....whatever the medium. Do not misunderstand me. Animation will be part of the continuing fabric of cartooning artistry. The still image will always be predominant. It is the native.



By: Garey Mckee

Sun, 08 Jun 2008 19:58:30 +0000

Shouldn't we be celebrating the fact that modern communication technology has spawned a new option for cartoonists, rather than endlessly debating it's practicality, execution and methodology? It's one more choice for cartoonists that didn't exist before. I say more power to all those who decide to pursue it. Pioneer it and make that art form your own.



By: Nick Anderson

Sun, 08 Jun 2008 17:53:44 +0000

Rob, here's the torture cartoon you referenced: http://blogs.chron.com/nickanderson/archives/2008/04/torture_time.html I'll take some exception to Wiley's argument that Ann is the only newspaper cartoonist who is doing *editorial* animations. I've had my share of silly indulgences, and have added too many bells and whistles at times(especially on the early ones), but I've also had my share of successes. My goal for animation was to try a lot of approaches to avoid falling into a rote formula. When you're getting into something new, there's a steep learning curve. It's safer to replicate a formula that's working for someone else, or replicate one of your own early successes, but you're not going to learn much. I do agree that it's tough to do both animations and daily cartoons well. I don't do the actual animation, but I've found that being a producer/director can require a lot of focus. It can be a challenge to balance the daily demands of the print cartoons with the ongoing demands of keeping an animation on schedule, not to mention maintaning a blog.



By: Malc McGookin

Sun, 08 Jun 2008 16:23:57 +0000

Interesting link about a paper which is cutting its staff AND the number of papers it will print. It demonstrates that with the advent of the internet, increasing circulation is no longer a goal with newspapers. Maybe Print won't be King much longer, and its total underestimation of the importance of class comics will be a major reason for its enforced abdication. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/06/business/media/06tribune.html?_r=3&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&ref=business&adxnnlx=1212924769-OE/wQF+iaQr9HSgWXf+fuw



By: J.G Moore

Sat, 07 Jun 2008 16:19:39 +0000

"Print is King" this is VERY true, it is limited these days. It's like the British Royal Family. They are "royal", i.e. "King" but they are totally irrelevant. They look nice and people care about them but they don't really do much, just like "print". How may news stories during this campaign were Drudge/Kos/Wonkette ripoffs.....like 80%. Print and TV just look to the web. I can't count how many stories I see in print and TV that I read on a blog a week before print or TV "broke" the story. I think that "Print" is the "foundation" but online/interactive/animation is the ONLY way to be "viable". You have to have both BUT I think that the emphasis (in media in general not just cartooning) now needs to shift to the animation/interactive/online model with print being an "afterthought". I mean, the "reason" for using (back in tha day) "Print" was to sell ads. Back then newsprint was a "new" and viable form of media distribution. Craigslist and Google have done "ok" without using newsprint as the distrubution method to sell ads. Media (as well a cartoonist) need to learn from "The Google". THE GOOGLE You too can use the Internet$ to rule the world and be popular! All joking aside, editorial cartoons lend well to the whole interactive/animation pipline. Print is great, interactive/animation is better. imho



By: Wiley Miller

Sat, 07 Jun 2008 11:16:58 +0000

"You get my point. Static cartoons are interactive in the way that reading a book is interactive." No, actually, I don't get your point. Reading a cartoon or a book is not interactive (please note the definition I provided for you). If the cartoon had no caption and asked the readers to provide one, like they do in the New Yorker, then that would be interactive. Otherwise, it's a passive process, where you are taking in the information provided by the author. As such, that is not being interactive.



By: Dawn Douglass

Sat, 07 Jun 2008 02:33:26 +0000

"It will only be a matter of time before you won;t get a good old fashioned Wily comic strip anymore… it’ll HAVE to be suped up with Flash animation, voice and sound, have a small staff of animation people to make it high-quality, to even make it viable in the market, and I think that’s sad." I don't agree with this any more than I believe we'll no longer have written stories to read because they'll all have to be made into movies to have a market.